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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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They will all be continued in the computer math thread.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Yes,I saw that. What will we do here then?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I think there are many outstanding problems in this thread.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Like what?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Post #401 for instance.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Axam,ok. I will try that as soon as I can.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Okay, let me know if you get stuck.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

Can you tell me examples of algorithms that are O((n!)^(n!)), O(sin(n)), O(cos(n)), O(sqrt(n)), O(n^(1/n))?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Offhand? No, I can not.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Can you construct such algorithms?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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O(sin(n))? What is that?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Maybe a better one would be O(abs(sin(x))).

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Why would we not just pick the maximum value and say O(1)?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Because it is faster than O(1).

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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|sin(n)| can take any value between 0 and 1. Isn't that less than some constant? Isn't that constant 1?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Yes. But that doesn't give us an algorithm with complexity |sin(n)|.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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What I am saying is I do not know what that means. I know what O(n) means and O(n^2) but what does O(|sin(n)|) mean for an algorithm?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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It could mean that the number of operations oscilates as the largeness of input goes up.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Personally, I have never seen that. I am not an expert on Landau notation. Have you?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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No. I thought maybe you would know.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Remember the chart they give you on the various Big(O)'s? That is about all I can deal with.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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So nothing on sin and cos. What about the other two?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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O(n!^(n!)), are you serious? If you wrote an algorithm that was that bad you would never work again.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Well there is always worse. O(n^^^n), using Knuth's up arrow notation

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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True. No computer could run such an algorithm.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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