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#51 2012-06-03 09:55:33

phrontister
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Re: Who lives in the city

anonimnystefy wrote:

Can you explain the principle of the game a little?

This explains the type of game I mean. There are several of them.

Like with LP, where you had to work out what I was doing (with no real helpful clues), you have to work out by yourself, from observation and participation, how the game is played. It will generally take some time for the penny to drop.

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#52 2012-06-03 19:50:36

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Re: Who lives in the city

hi all,

My answer to the post #34 version is the same as phrontister's in post #46.

Quick before 'they' all move round in the queue, let's make that the puzzle.

Bob

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#53 2012-06-03 19:58:53

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Re: Who lives in the city

Quick before 'they' all move round in the queue, let's make that the puzzle.

What do you mean?

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#54 2012-06-05 15:15:36

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Re: Who lives in the city

Hi Bob,

I reckon we should go with your suggestion in post #28. It works (I checked it from scratch), and has the least number of changes to the original. Besides, I don't want to bask in the glory of being the one who solved this unique-solution conundrum.

1. The person in the middle watches Desperate Housewives
2. Bob is the first in the queue
3. The person who watches the Simpsons is next to the person who lives in a youth hostel
4. The person going to Africa is behind Rachael
5. The person who lives in a village is 52
6. The person who is going to Australia has straight hair
7. The person travelling to Africa watches Desperate Housewives
8. The 14-year-old is at the end of the queue
9. Amy watches Eastenders
10. The person heading to Italy has long hair
11. Keeley lives in a village
12. The 46-year-old is bald
13. The fourth in the queue is going to England
14. The people with curly and straight hair are standing
16. A person next to Rachael has an afro
17. The 21-year-old lives in a youth hostel
18. The person who watches Corrie has long hair
19. The 81-year-old lives on a farm
20. The person who is travelling to France lives in a town
21. The person who watches the Simpsons doesn't live in a town

However:-

Quick before 'they' all move round in the queue

Too late! They've already moved! My solution to your version has Eilish, not Amy, living in the city.

My solution is in the attached image. How does that line up with yours? Hopefully we haven't got multiple solutions!! I was very careful when solving your version and didn't come across any other paths...but I'm not immune to blundering.

Interestingly, I used a negative clue in my version too...without having read your post. I won't say "great minds think alike", though, because I wouldn't want to lower yours to my level.

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#55 2012-06-05 18:48:02

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Re: Who lives in the city

hi phro

No worries mate.  I knew mine was different.  The important thing is your answer has one solution, (Amy tick) and we both have the same grid for it.

Of course, in mine, Amy is standing on her head ......  must be Adelaide

Bob

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#56 2012-06-05 20:32:16

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Re: Who lives in the city

Wow. So are we good to go?

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#57 2012-06-05 22:03:23

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Re: Who lives in the city

Hi MathsIsFun,

Please hang fire just a bit...hope to have this sorted soon (sorry):

Hi Bob,

I saw a girl 'down' here today, standing on her head, and I thought, "That must be Amy, the same girl from that puzzle, practising how to stand downside up for when she gets to England!"

And that made perfect sense to me, of course, because in my solution to your version she's going to England...that is, from her youth hostel accommodation in Germany after travelling there from Australia.

Ok, I'll get down to earth with this (or up to earth for you, in your inverted universe)...

So, what I really want to say, is that I didn't get your drift in your last post (must be your pommie accent clashing with my Aussie drawl).

Would you please explain to me what you meant, maybe this time using fewer syllables per word? MIF's looking for us to give the "all clear", and I'm a little (no, that's not true...ok, "totally" is closer) unclear about your thoughts on it.

Ta.

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#58 2012-06-06 12:02:59

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Re: Who lives in the city

No, it's all OK. [one bit words from now on]

Back at post #28 I had 4 ways and gave some ways to get less.

At post # 34 you had a way to get just one.  Yours is the same as my pic B and is the one way that fits your clues:

1. The person in the middle watches Desperate Housewives
2. Bob is the first in the queue
3. The person who watches the Simpsons is next to the person who lives in a youth hostel
4. The person going to Africa is behind Rachael
5. The person who lives in a village is 52
6. The person who is going to Australia has straight hair
7. The person travelling to Africa watches Desperate Housewives
8. The 14-year-old is at the end of the queue
9. Amy watches Eastenders
10. The person heading to Italy has long hair
11. Keeley lives in a village
12. The 46-year-old is bald
13. The fourth in the queue is going to England
14. The people who watch Desperate Housewives and Neighbours are standing next to each other
15. The person who watches Coronation Street stands next to the person with an afro
16. A person next to Rachael has an afro
17. The 21-year-old lives in a youth hostel
18. The person who watches Corrie has long hair
19. The 81-year-old lives on a farm
20. The person who is travelling to France lives in a town
21. Eilish is not next to the person with straight hair

I say let's go with it.

Bob (good job my name is one bit too    )

ps.  Your girl is not 'A me'  The five are in a queue to set off to sites.  It makes no sense to go to where you are, so they must be in none of the five sites in the puzz.  But they can watch 5 shows that are on Brit T V.  So they might be on the Isle of Man, or in the North Sea.  You see this girl the wrong way up, so she is not from the puzz but from some where else.  Could be Welsh?  I shall call her Dee.

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#59 2012-06-09 03:57:01

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Re: Who lives in the city

Housewife is not a 1bit word.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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#60 2012-06-09 04:06:23

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Re: Who lives in the city

But that word (and lots more similar) are from the clues.  I could hardly reduce all of them too.  I assumed phro would be ok with those since he has written some of them and clearly worked with the rest to get his answer.

Methinks the lad doth protest too much.

What say you to the proposal?

Bob

ps.  I have no idea why I have launched into Shakespearean English.  Just to make a change from one bit words I guess.

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#61 2012-06-09 04:14:25

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Re: Who lives in the city

Didn't you see the ? I though we agreed on that being the sign for kidding.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
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#62 2012-06-09 04:21:07

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Re: Who lives in the city

Sure I knew that.  But your observation was accurate and deserved a response.

Bob

ps.  What about the proposal?  ie.  Should we ask MIF to make this version into the puzzle?

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#63 2012-06-09 18:48:26

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Re: Who lives in the city

bob bundy wrote:

Should we ask MIF to make this version into the puzzle?

Yes, yes, ... should we

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#64 2012-06-09 18:52:24

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Re: Who lives in the city

hi MathsIsFun,

Good to hear from you.  Hope you are well.

I'm fairly sure we have a solution that is unique now.

Let's risk it and put it up like that.

Thanks,

Bob

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You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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#65 2012-06-10 11:32:31

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Re: Who lives in the city

The puzzling world thanks you all!

I have posted it now: Who Lives in the City? Puzzle - Solution

Could you check it for me?

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#66 2012-06-10 20:31:13

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Re: Who lives in the city

Thanks.

That looks OK to me.

Bob

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#67 2012-06-11 04:32:31

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Re: Who lives in the city

Hi MathsIsFun,

Thanks! I've enjoyed it!

Yes, the update on your puzzle page checks out fine.
__________________________________________________________________________

Hi all,

Here's a version dedicated to Bob for all his hard work with this, with a contrived solution to suit.

1. The person in the middle watches Desperate Housewives
2. Bob is the first in the queue
3. The person who watches the Simpsons is next to the person who lives in a youth hostel
4. The person going to Africa is behind Rachael
5. The 46-year-old has straight hair
6. The person with long hair watches Coronation Street
7. Amy watches Eastenders
8. The person who is going to Australia is bald
9. The town-dweller isn't next to the city-dweller
10. The person travelling to Africa watches Desperate Housewives
11. The 14-year-old is at the end of the queue
12. The person with long hair isn't next to the person with curly hair
13. Keeley lives in a village
14. The person who watches Corrie is immediately in front of the person with an afro
15. The fourth in the queue is going to England
16. The person who lives in a village is 52
17. A person next to Rachael has an afro
18. The person who watches Neighbours is next to the person who lives in a town
19. The curly-haired and bald people aren't next to each other
20. The 21-year-old lives in a youth hostel
21. The person who is travelling to France lives in a town

Btw, I've started using a process of elimination to solve this puzzle, which has reduced solution time to 15-20 minutes. That strategy has also helped with adapting the newly updated version to the one above.

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#68 2012-06-11 08:33:58

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Re: Who lives in the city

Oh thank you so much for that!

And you are wrong in almost every respect:

I'm not as old as 81.

I have a full set of hair (well nearly).

I live in a village not a city.

I certainly don't watch the Simpsons.

I may, however, have Australia as a destination.  If only to prove to you, first hand, the facts as given here!

A response puzzle is in preparation; watch this space!

Bob

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#69 2012-06-11 11:29:22

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Re: Who lives in the city

bob bundy wrote:

Sure I knew that.  But your observation was accurate and deserved a response.

Bob

ps.  What about the proposal?  ie.  Should we ask MIF to make this version into the puzzle?

Well,if you want me to be accurate, none of those words are one bit words. The smallest of words are 8-bit,and those are letters and arabic numerals.

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Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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#70 2012-06-11 12:43:38

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Re: Who lives in the city

Hi Bob,

So I got you wrong!?

Strange, isn't it...the perceptions we build of one another through our posts.

...watch this space!

Just letting you know in advance: I'm not the real me.

Facts about the real me are much like yours! Could we be twins?

- I'm not as old as 81 either (my reported age is 28...which at last count I was/am, I think);
- I also have a full set of hair (well, nearly...approximately);
- I know someone who lives in a village;
- I haven't watched more than 10 seconds of the Simpsons, so I can't judge that show; but I can say that I'm averse to watching anything but character-building productions on TV (which accounts for the tiny amount of time spent watching it...which has nothing to do with my falling asleep in front of it, either);
- I'm already here in Australia.

Snap!!

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#71 2012-06-12 01:47:31

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Re: Who lives in the city

The Ferris Wheel.
Any resemblance with real people or facts is (i) illusory (ii) intended (iii) somewhere in between <delete as applicable>

Dramatis personae:
hats:         baseball, bowler, cork hat, stetson
ages:        15, 28, 62, 90
people:    Stefy, Phro, bobbym, Bob (and briefly, in setting the scene only, MIF)
carrying:  i pod, sketchpad, picture of Cameron Diaz, a beer can (empty?)
position:  bottom, going down, top, going up

Five adventurers were out doing some exploring.  Sensibly, they each wore a hat, for the Sun could be strong in that part of the world and each carried a precious memento of home, for they expected to be away for some time.

They hadnt been gone long when they came upon a large scrapyard, full of old cars, the rusting hulks of steam engines and other piles of old junk.  But there in the middle, and you couldnt miss it for it was huge, was an eight cabin ferris wheel.  They rushed forward, eager to see if it would be possible to have a ride and see the view from high up.

As they approached the wheel, it was clear that it was not in the best condition.  Paint was peeling and it was very rusty, but they found the engine room and quickly established that the motor could be made to go.

Lets have a go, said Bob, for he considered himself to be the bravest, although, in truth, he was more likely the most foolhardy.  The wisest of the five, MIF, said he didnt think it was safe and urged the others  to reconsider.  But the other four were not to be dissuaded,  so he agreed to stay on the ground and operate the motor.
As each cabin came around,  it became clear that the equipment was more dilapidated than they had thought.  One cabin had no floor; another had broken glass and no windows; in another the door was stuck shut; and the less said about the state of a fourth the better.  As a result they each took one of the remaining cabins, separated by 90 degrees around the circumference.

As the wheel turned they discovered another, even more serious, fault.  The bearings that should have allowed the cabins to swing freely under gravity, were locked with corrosion and so, as each cabin climbed up into the air, its occupant found that first the floor became a wall, and then, as it neared the top, became the ceiling.  Three of the adventurers walked from floor to wall to ceiling to compensate.  Only Phro seemed unperturbed. Im quite used to this, he declared, for this is just like home.  As he said this he reached the highest point, and hung there, defying the laws of physics, like an enormous chiropterum, his head pointing towards the ground.  How he did this is not known!

And so, with our adventurers stuck in this strange predicament, we come to the puzzle.  Based on the extra clues given here, who is where, with which hat and precious item, and how old are they?
1. There were four people on the wheel :-
the person wearing the baseball cap,  the person aged 62,  bobbym,   and the person carrying beer who was at the top.

2.The person that carried a sketchpad was older than  the person that carried a can of beer.

3. The person aged 15 was carrying an  i pod.

4. One person was carrying the picture of Cameron Diaz  and was going down.
This was not the person wearing the bowler.

5. The person wearing the cork hat was younger than  80 but not as young as 20.
This person  was Phro.

6. The person wearing the stetson was older than the person wearing the bowler.
The bowler wearer was not carrying beer  nor was he  going up.

7.  Stefy, wearing a baseball cap,  was  younger than  both the person wearing the
cork hat  and the person wearing the bowler.

Bob :)

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#72 2012-06-12 04:07:17

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Re: Who lives in the city

Hi Bob,

Well captured...and MIF's cameo is a nice touch!

The puzzle has a unique solution, of course (I'd expect nothing less from you )

The beer can is carried by a tea-totaller, and would:
(a) if empty, probably have been picked up empty and be on its way to the nearest bin; or
(b) if full, be carried on behalf of the person wearing the bowler hat (?)

Is this an allegorical scene: our MIF experience in this jumbled, scrappy mess of a world we live in?

Anyway, well constructed! Excellent work!!

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#73 2012-06-12 04:41:06

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Re: Who lives in the city

Excellent work, Phro!  You seems to have a fast method there.  Really annoying as it took much longer to make the darn thing!

Bob

ps.  How you gunna get down from the wheel?

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#74 2012-06-12 04:47:42

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You mean up from the wheel, don't you?

Yes, that is a fast method. It sure helped a lot with the other puzzle, where for a while I was wading through molasses with that terribly cumbersome magazine-strategy.

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#75 2012-06-12 04:49:17

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Re: Who lives in the city

Allegorical?  Well maybe.  At least it hints that someone is trying to recycle metals.

Sorry about the beer.  Not for me either.  I prefer wine, or fruit juice.

But you seemed such an expert after the XXXX beer can in an earlier post.  See how it all ties up?  The Cameron Diaz came from an earlier bobbym post too.  And he recently admitted his age to be 90.  Not that I believe him as he has also claimed to be 6! (that's 6 exclamation not factorial!)

Bob

edit: Of course, I do mean up.

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