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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is why it should not be. They count permutations.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Wait until later this evening or tomorrow,and we will discuss this properly.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Now you are talking turkey. Armed with your CAS you will be 100 times stronger.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Of course! I think I am starting to like Maxima.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

I got 887/55986

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am not getting that.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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What do you get?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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First put an x = 1 into your expanded answer what do you get?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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55986

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hmmm. Since that is a probability gf and each x powers coefficient is a probability. When you put x = 1 you are summing the gf. Since that is all the possibilities what should that sum be?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

I didn't make a probability counting GF,but a possibility counting one.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Not a good idea because you will not be able to turn that into a probability.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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But when I put x=1 I get all the possibilities amd the coeff of x**17 gives me the favorable cases.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Maybe it does but what is a probability?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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P=favorable/all possible.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It is a ratio. It is a fraction. Now I ask you what do you put on the bottom of your number to get that ratio?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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All possible outcomes?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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55986 / All possible outcomes

I put that into M and he just spit it out.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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That is the number I got too for the possible outcomes.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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How did you compute this?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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No,I got the number 55986 to be down.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then what is on top?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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887.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is not correct.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Sorry,it's 3743.

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