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#126 2012-04-27 08:50:17

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Re: Find the general term!!!

Why? Can you show me an example or a proof?


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#127 2012-04-27 08:51:42

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The fact is you have already seen a couple of examples. You just have not yet understood what you saw.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#128 2012-04-27 08:53:51

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Can you show me one again?

Is it about numerical stability?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#129 2012-04-27 08:56:32

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When you are ready to accept it we will continue with that one. After all, it is the best example of itself. Bafflers is where the answers are.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#130 2012-04-27 08:58:21

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Re: Find the general term!!!

If I accept it you will explain it to me? Okay.Sure.3**2-2**2<>(3-2)(3+2). Everybody knows that.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#131 2012-04-27 09:01:39

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Re: Find the general term!!!

Sure.3**2-2**2<>(3-2)(3+2). Everybody knows that

They do!? 5 = 5, does it not?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#132 2012-04-27 09:03:31

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But,by what you propose,it is not. That's confusing me.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#133 2012-04-27 09:08:38

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What is an identity?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#134 2012-04-27 09:13:01

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But why do you say that

a**2-b**2<>(a-b)(a+b)

if it is contradictory to the identity you just wrote above.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#135 2012-04-27 09:14:22

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What is an identity?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#136 2012-04-27 09:16:27

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Something that always holds?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#137 2012-04-27 09:21:32

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That is correct. In computational mathematics that is not an identity, in ordinary algebra it is.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#138 2012-04-27 09:22:52

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Why is it not an identity in comp. math? Numerical stability?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#139 2012-04-27 09:24:50

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Sometimes it has to do with numerical stability and sometimes it does not.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#140 2012-04-27 09:26:35

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And when does it not?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#141 2012-04-27 09:31:36

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That was first investigated by John Von Neumann. He could not answer it fully and neither can I. Numerical analysis is the study of algorithms like that so called identity.

Incidentally, that integral, Wolfram does not know how to do it either.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#142 2012-04-27 09:33:59

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WA didn't calculate the antiderivative. It evaluated it.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#143 2012-04-27 09:35:38

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Nope, the last time I used mathematica on it the darn package did not get more than a few digits right!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#144 2012-04-27 09:37:46

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How do you know what the digits are?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#145 2012-04-27 09:43:03

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That too is done differently in numerical work than in ordinary math. We verify precision not with mathematical proof but by the double digit method or digit agreement between 2 different methods.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#146 2012-04-27 09:47:22

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But then to solve a problem like that one you would need ti find 2 methods. That's even harder.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#147 2012-04-27 09:50:46

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Re: Find the general term!!!

Who said it was easy and who says it has to be easy. That is another fallacy drummed into students and teachers. They mistakenly believe all problems are solvable in a couple of minutes and a couple of theorems. Just because all the textbook problems are like that. The truth is real world problem are usually not solvable.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#148 2012-04-27 10:52:23

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The truth they are hiding is that they are solvable in one command!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#149 2012-04-27 10:57:24

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Re: Find the general term!!!

Nice work. Just,hide it please.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#150 2012-04-29 07:24:11

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Re: Find the general term!!!

#7)Find the generating function and general term (if they exist) of the sequence:

0
1
3
4
6
7
...
...
...
With the obvious increasin pattern +1,+2,+1,+2...


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

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