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## #1 2012-03-27 20:02:37

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### The Professors Test

The Professor's test.

(1)

There are 4 reindeer in front of Blitzen.
Dancer is on the left of Prancer.
Rudolph is two ahead of Blitzen.
Donner is two behind Dasher.

Work out the positions of the reindeer as they pull the sleigh.

(2)    A says ‘None of us is lying’.  B says ‘Only two of us are lying’.  C says ‘Only one of us is lying’.

Identify the liars.

(3)  We met at the old School re-union.  He said he had been married a while and had three children, including twins.

“How old ?”, I asked, but, knowing how I love puzzles, all he would say was
that their ages multiplied to give his age, which I knew to be 36.

“That’s not enough information”, I responded, so he also told me what their ages added up to.

“Nope, still cannot work it out”, I said;  so he told me that the oldest had just started guitar lessons.

“Arhh, now I can do it”.   Well, can you ?

(4)   An explorer walks one mile south, then one mile east, and finally one mile north.
Curiously, he ends up, back where he started.  So where did he start?

(5)   Think again about (4).

There are actually an infinite number of places, on the surface of the Earth, where this could happen.
So it should be easy to describe another.

(6)  Put an ice cube in a glass and top up with water.  (the students had to work this out without carrying out an experiment,
As the ice melts, does the level rise, fall or stay the same?
Explain.

(7)  What comes next?  And then?

110,  20,  12,  11,  10,  ………

(8)  three codes

(The first gives a hint to the second, which gives a hint to the third.  Use squared paper)

(a)  13    1    11    5    ##    1    ##    18    5    3    20    1    14    7
12    5    ##    TWELVE    ##    2    25    SEVEN    .    5    14    20
5    18    ##    20    8    5    ##    3        15      4         5    ##    1    3    18
15    19    19    ##    2      21     20    ##    20    8    5    ##    13    5    19
19    1    7    5    ##    4      15      23    14        23    1    18     4     19    .

(b)  DRLYTNZNQ  AOREE    EE  USLNAC  7TSRTAHLEWTI.H  OHRA  S    AI  EASEEDT.AN   P    N    SEH         GBUODIS.  E

(c)  00000000000011110100100100101010001001011000010010101000111101001000000000000

Happy puzzling,

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #2 2012-03-27 21:02:43

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi bob

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #3 2012-03-27 21:53:34

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi Stefy,

Good start.

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #4 2012-03-28 01:48:53

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### Re: The Professors Test

#### bob bundy wrote:

hi Stefy,

Good start.

Bob

Last edited by wintersolstice (2012-03-28 01:49:24)

Why did the chicken cross the Mobius Band?
To get to the other ...um...!!!

## #5 2012-03-28 04:03:42

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi wintersolstice

That's exactly what I had and I also was surprised by anonimnystefy's answer.  Under the circumstances of the test, being surprised is entirely appropriate.

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #6 2012-03-28 05:12:29

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### Re: The Professors Test

Hi bob

so not all spaces count.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #7 2012-03-28 05:20:27

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### Re: The Professors Test

Hi bob

In addition to the last post:

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-03-28 05:27:16)

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #8 2012-03-28 05:24:03

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hi Stefy,

!) OK.

All the spaces count.  Some count double.

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #9 2012-03-28 05:27:53

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### Re: The Professors Test

Look at post #7 again.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #10 2012-03-28 06:01:59

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi Stefy.

5)  That may be true, but I'm looking for a solution on the Earth as it is!  You don't have to shrink it.

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #11 2012-03-28 06:29:31

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hi bobbym

I think i got it:

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #12 2012-03-28 06:43:38

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi Stefy

Put together what you had before with what you are suggesting now and ....

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #13 2012-03-28 06:48:31

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hi bob

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #14 2012-03-28 07:11:51

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#### bob bundy wrote:

hi wintersolstice

That's exactly what I had and I also was surprised by anonimnystefy's answer.  Under the circumstances of the test, being surprised is entirely appropriate.

Bob

Why did the chicken cross the Mobius Band?
To get to the other ...um...!!!

## #15 2012-03-28 07:24:51

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hi wintersoltice

have you solve any other problems?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #16 2012-03-28 07:26:40

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi Stefy and wintersolstice,

Stefy: You have solved 5).  Very well done.  I think it is one of the harder ones in the test.  In my opinion, number  7) is also a tough one.

wintersolstice.  Good suggestion.  I will modify the test should I need to set it again in another Universe.

Bob.

ps.  signing off for tonight.  'See you' tomorrow.

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #17 2012-03-28 07:29:12

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hi bob

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #18 2012-03-28 19:03:46

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi Stefy,

Yes, they are, well done!!

Bob

Just the codes to sort out then.  It was years ago I made this three-part puzzle and I'd forgotten the final answer.  So I have done it again.  Stage two was a bit tricky because of the spaces but I got there after some fiddling with the spaces.  There are 84 characters exactly in the finished grid.

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #19 2012-03-28 19:50:26

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Hi bob

I must admit that I used

for thatt one.

I also must note that if we add the third person saying that they are all lying then the puzzle turns into a paradox.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-03-28 19:54:43)

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #20 2012-03-29 02:09:19

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi Stefy,

I first met that sequence in a advert for computer programmers.  "If you can solve this, then you may have what it takes to become ......"

Someone had even written in the answer, and still I couldn't see it.  It was years later that I found out why that answer was correct.

I think I need to re-do the liars puzzle completely.  Sorry about that.

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything;  you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

## #21 2012-03-29 05:32:48

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### Re: The Professors Test

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #22 2012-03-29 08:15:43

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#### anonimnystefy wrote:

hi wintersoltice

have you solve any other problems?

yes I solved a few of them but instead of posting my answers I checked them against yours (I haven't solved all the ones that you solved yet!)

#### anonimnystefy wrote:

I also must note that if we add the third person saying that they are all lying then the puzzle turns into a paradox.

how come? plus I said 4th person:D

Last edited by wintersolstice (2012-03-29 08:16:03)

Why did the chicken cross the Mobius Band?
To get to the other ...um...!!!

## #23 2012-03-29 09:02:22

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Yes I meant fourth person.My mistake.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #24 2012-03-29 18:16:20

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### Re: The Professors Test

hi wintersolstice and anonimnystefy

Did you mean:

A says ‘None of us is lying’. B says ‘Only two of us are lying’. C says ‘Only one of us is lying’. D says all of us are lying.

The truth table below shows there is no solution to this.

The middle code must have 84 characters if it is to work.  A quick count suggests there are less.  But some spaces are double.  Your problem is to work out which.

Bob

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## #25 2012-03-29 19:26:30

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Yes that's what I meant.

Why did you make part 2 of puzzle #8 so hard?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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