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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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i think so.actually i just saw that it is actually an installation thingy.i don't have it installed yet

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Oh boy! That means you have no experience with the CAS inside. That will make your job 10 times harder.

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**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Okay, the first problem looks like this.

**The city of Albany is experiencing a movement of its population. At present 85% of the population lives in the city and 15% in the suburbs. Each year 7% of the population moves to the suburbs and 1% of the suburb population move back to the city. Assuming the population of the city + the suburbs stays constant. After 5 years what percentage of people will live in the city?**

You can work on that problem on your own before I show you how to do it with a Markov chain.

A couple of questions:

1)Have you heard of the Feynmann story of why he was such a good problem solver?

2)What do you think of back engineering as a method of problem solving?

3)Have you seen gAr and my work on these Markov chains?

I have a long distance call coming in so I will be busy for a while.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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1)No.

2)It's nice and useful.

3)Yes,but i have never understood it.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Nice text.Very true.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Do you have an answer to the problem? By any method?

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

It wasn't actually a question I was posing. It is part of a lesson on Markov chains for anonimnystefy. But that is okay that you answered it, I will check your answer.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

I would just calculate it by hand and get the answer, but it is too long so let's pretend that I got it correctly.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi All;

Sorry for the delay, I am having an emergency here and will be busy. Sorry for the problem.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Ok, Bobby. I'm off to work now...I'll check in later.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi anonimnystefy;

It would have been better if you would have worked through the problem one time to see what is involved but I will go ahead with the example.

This is the initial vector:

This is the transition matrix. Notice how all the rows sum to 1. This means the matrix is a stochastic matrix.

The answer is:

So after 5 years 60% of the population still lives in the city.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

*Last edited by phrontister (2012-03-25 19:39:47)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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