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#1 2011-09-28 09:31:35

Deon588
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Confusing question

Hi.  I am a bit confused with this question the question is "Find the coordinates of M when BA is a maximum"  Should I subtract the straight line from the parabola and then

I don't understand how BA has any effect on M?  Doesn't M just stay where it is on the x-axis?
Thanks a lot in advance

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#2 2011-09-28 09:56:48

bob bundy
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Re: Confusing question

hi Deon588,

Have you got a, b and c yet?

I'll assume yes.

That fixes the parabola (ie. there's only one answer) and the line is obviously unique. 
But B can move about on the parabola and so that means M moves too.

I'd call M (x,0) and write the coordinates of B and A in terms of this.

Then you write an expression for BA in terms of x, differentiate, and hence get the maximum.

I'd better go and get a piece of paper and try it out.

Bob


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#3 2011-09-28 11:00:09

Deon588
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Re: Confusing question

Hi Bob I have the parabola and lines equations.  So to find the maximum I subtracted the line's equation from the parabola's equation but from here i'm not sure.

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#4 2011-09-28 13:03:09

bob bundy
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Re: Confusing question

hi Deon588

I got a = -2    b = -4    and c = 0

Then for the points:

So

So you need

Can you take over from here?

Bob

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#5 2011-09-28 19:33:41

Deon588
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Re: Confusing question

Hi Bob.  I did exactly that up to the point

 
Thanks

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#6 2011-09-28 19:51:32

bob bundy
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Re: Confusing question

hi Deon588

d(BA)/dx is a special notation used in the differential calculus.

It gives you a way of finding the maximum value of an expression (amongst many, many uses!).

It's too big a topic to start in answer to the question, if you haven't met it before.

But don't worry.  As the expression

is a quadratic there's another way to get the maximum value.

I've put the graph below.  As you can see it does have a maximum value.  Would you be able to work out the x, at this point?

Bob

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#7 2011-09-28 22:02:29

Deon588
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Re: Confusing question

Hi Bob.  Differential calculus is not part of my course this year at all.  So I can find x either by completing the square or

?
If i'm asking for help too much lately please let me know.  I have exams in 3 weeks so trying to get everything cleared up before the exam.
Thanks

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#8 2011-09-29 03:14:31

bobbym
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Re: Confusing question

Hi Deon588;

Yes, there is a way using just algebra.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#9 2011-09-29 03:59:46

bob bundy
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Re: Confusing question

hi Deon588

will do nicely.

(But using the 'a' and 'b' from the new quadratic, of course.)

Bob

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#10 2011-09-29 04:13:34

Deon588
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Re: Confusing question

Thanks a lot Bob and Bobbym.  I have done this many times before but the way the question was written confused me a bit

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#11 2011-09-29 04:16:23

bobbym
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Re: Confusing question

Hi Deon588;

Your welcome. What year are you in?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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