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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hmmm, I could not numerically integrate a function involving complex numbers.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I think you can in two ways.

1) Sage, Maxima and Wolfram can.

2) Any Newton-Coates formula is just a plug in, so complex numbers are no problem. Remember the answer was in complex form.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

I still can't do it. Sage demands a real number.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Okay, it isn't my preferred way of doing it either. Just interesting to see it work.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

Okay.

Did it work for large coefficients?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Yes, but then it becomes a difficult numerical problem.

Was the method I showed in the first post clear enough? Any CAS should be able to do that.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

Yes, the integral is good!

But I'm not very clear how it got converted to that.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I am not following you, I meant post #1.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Oh, okay.

I was talking about #23.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Oh heck, do not worry about that. That is a big mystery to me. How could an integral with complex values zero in on one single coefficient?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes, a mystery!

That asymptotic form is also mysterious to me.

Can we directly expand about 0 and fit a polynomial?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

If you expand g(x) around 0 you will have a polynomial, the Taylor polynomial. Trying to truncate that by fitting a smaller polynomial should not work.

In A eq B there is theorem that says the principal part of the Laurents series expansion of g(x) is a good approximation of the coefficients of g(x). That is what I used.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Okay, I'll check the book.

Thanks.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Very good! You can help me out with it!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Gee, you're kidding again!

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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No kidding! I only get pieces of that book. I am amazingly stupid!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hmmm, we'll see.

I am amazingly stupid!

You're not, otherwise you'd have ruled the nation!

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yikes, that is worse! I am not even the best at being an imbecile! I am mediocre!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, now I get the estimate!

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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You got it! Very good. A book showed me a short cut over what I do but I do not remember what it was.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay.

I guess I have left too much of the book last time I read. I don't remember reading the book at all.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I found it kind of difficult and hard to piece together their algorithms. But it did give me the Hayman method and this method.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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It's kind of frustrating to read such books.

We'll be dilemma whether to try to read again or skip it, whether the later parts depend on that etc.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Books like that should have more examples, a lot more. Math books should be all examples. I was recently looking through an article where the guy was apologizing for explaining his discoveries by examples! The other guys should be apologizing!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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...the guy was apologizing for explaining his discoveries by examples!

That's funny!

Yes, you are right.

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