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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I got - ∞ for the one with the z in there. Thanks much for providing your solution.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Okay.

You could've figured it out that there could be a mistake.

Thanks for telling!

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi gAr

could you explain how you got the second line in your solution.i don't get it.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi anonimnystefy,

I used L'Hospital's rule.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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aah.ok think i get it.

could you also make a topic on integrals?it would be nice to practice working on them.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

I was searching for that url. Thanks!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I can not come up with anything better for #9 then using L'Hospitals rule.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, no problem.

Thanks for looking into the problem.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

This works. Taylorize the numerator:

Now divide through by x and now it is easy to see what the limit is.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

Yes, I tried expanding like that.

But deriving that would require us to find limits anyway!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Do you mean the derivatives, because the limits are done term by term?

Yes, you would have to find and prove the general term of that series ( done by induction ). Once you have the general term it is easy to see all terms after the constant term have an x in them and therefore zero out.

Oh wait, I see what you are saying! Good point. Even the f(0) could be a problem.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Yes!

That's why I avoided giving that in my solution.

I thought maybe we can use binomial theorem, but that too fails. (or is it me?)

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

That is one way, maybe.

Also this is like a piece of experimental math. You use a package to get the answer and then you prove the answer is correct by induction. Sort of like the more classical use of guessing at the solution of a sum or a recurrence.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

Yes, I agree.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

In this case since proving the answer you get is going to be difficult at least from what I see, I think it is easier to use your way.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

I think so. From what I know, no other tricks I can think of.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi gAr

how about a hint on the 10?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi anonimnystefy,

It's already solved in #94.

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**123ronnie321****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-28
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I hope my steps are correct.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi 123ronnie123

how did you get the next to last line?

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**123ronnie321****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-28
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Hi anonimnystefy,

I am unsure about the ending of my solution and I am waiting for either gAr's or Bobbym's help.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi 123ronnie321,

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**123ronnie321****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-28
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Thanks for your help, gAr.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

You're welcome!

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