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## #26 2011-03-04 23:03:56

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His works are ahead of my time also!
They must have spent a lot of time just to calculate and verify.

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## #27 2011-03-04 23:10:09

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Yes, his work with Hardy on the then Hardy Ramanujan formula for partitions of n were checked by the combinatoricist Percy McMahon. They were done mostly by hand. I think he went up to p(200)=3,972,999,029,388

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## #28 2011-03-04 23:22:19

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## #29 2011-03-05 01:18:45

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## #30 2011-03-05 02:42:41

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Hi gAr,

I saw the following idea on another maths site, where they used a simple denominator and some suitable large integer for the numerator as a fractional approximation of pi:-

That gives accuracy of pi to 15 decimal places...as yours does, but this is a little more accurate.

Greater accuracy can be achieved by increasing 2's exponent and the numerator: eg, this next one, which is accurate to 30 decimal places:-

In these calculations pi is the ratio of the large integer and the chosen power of 2. So, to find the integer value:-

The same could be done with other numerators and denominators, of course, but this is just a simple example FWIW.

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## #31 2011-03-05 03:02:50

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## #32 2011-03-05 03:39:31

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Hi phrontister,

Nice to know that approximation, I haven't seen that till now.
I obtained that approximation by summing the first two terms of the Ramanujan's formula I mentioned. You can search for more, faster converging series!

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## #33 2011-03-05 03:45:47

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...maybe there is no 10 Decimal place Calculation ?

...which is accurate to 10 decimal places.

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## #34 2011-03-05 03:57:50

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Thanks, gAr.

I don't know much about pi - except that home-made ones are very nice!

Ramanujan's formula is way beyond me, and I know nothing about series, converging or otherwise (high school maths is my limit).

But sometimes I like to broaden my knowledge (usually during some wild moment), which is when I found that fractional approximation concept. Nice and simple.

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## #35 2011-03-05 04:00:42

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## #36 2011-03-05 04:32:06

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Hi phrontister,

Ok, but I assure you that they're interesting. I'm not talking about ramanujan's works, it's well beyond my thinking also.

Interest is all what is required, you can learn quickly and discover many more interesting stuffs!
I got interested in mathematics only after getting introduced to calculus, tremendously useful and practical.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #37 2011-03-05 06:24:59

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Hi phrontister and gAr;

Have you seen any of the nested square roots for pi?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #38 2011-03-05 10:26:03

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Hi Bobby,

No, I hadn't. I googled it and saw "Viète's Nested Square Root Representation of Pi" on Wolfram.

I don't understand what that infinity symbol does or how to calculate that manually, but I notice that for every increase of N to a further multiple of 5, pi's accuracy increases by 3 decimal digits.

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## #39 2011-03-05 10:35:48

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Hi phrontister;

Can you point out where you are looking?

Here is the one I meant:

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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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## #40 2011-03-05 10:43:35

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Hi Bobby,

Thanks for that formula, but I'll have to look at it later because I'm off to work soon.

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## #41 2011-03-05 10:45:54

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Hi phrontister;

Have a good day, see you later.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #42 2011-03-05 10:52:45

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## #43 2011-03-05 11:13:47

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Transcendental or GiB or ...

#### GiB wrote:

10 Decimal Places of an Approximation is 10  Decimal Places Short of Buying a Hot Dog!!

Please leave gAr and phrontister alone, okay? If two members are having a math discussion then sit down, cross your arms and just listen. You will definitely learn something. Taunting people in an attempt for you to be the center of attention is out. Do you understand?

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I do not know what you are driving at with that but I am not happy with it.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #44 2011-03-05 14:32:43

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Hi bobbym,

I hadn't seen the nested square roots formula for pi. I was of a few continued fractions though.
Most of those are beautiful !

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #45 2011-03-05 14:45:03

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Ramanujan came up with a lot of new ones. The continued fractions are really nice. Amazing the way people in the past came up with some of them. When you think that they did not even have a quality pen or a good piece of paper, and by candlelight...

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #46 2011-03-05 15:19:53

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Yeah, they are the real heroes.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense"  - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

## #47 2011-04-06 00:18:06

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Between 788 and 850 digits after the decimal point in pi, there are no sevens!!!!
This is shortly after the six nines in a row at 762 to 767.

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## #48 2012-03-09 06:39:58

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3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/index31415.html

Up to 1 million

## #49 2012-03-09 06:46:33

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Hi Tibo442;

Thanks for providing the link and welcome to the forum. You might like this:

http://www.angio.net/pi/piquery

And here is where you can download up to 400 million digits of pi.

http://highpi.4t.com/custom.html

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #50 2012-03-30 22:05:43

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Pi can't be calculated its value is taken as an approximation and if you want to calculate it will go to infinite decimal number of places.