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#126 2011-01-27 01:31:59
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I remember all those engines. I had Sargon II for the TRS-80. I had Chess Challenger 7. You still have your Sargon? The stand alone?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#127 2011-01-27 01:33:30
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Only People in the Know! Know!
The same People that Know ( Using the technique of singular extensions it could also follow lines of forced moves that reach even further, which is how it once found a checkmate in 37 moves.) (1994!)
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#128 2011-01-27 01:34:31
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bobbym wrote:
You still have your Sargon? The stand alone?
No...I had it on my Amiga, which I MOST UNFORTUNATELY sold! 
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#129 2011-01-27 01:37:51
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Do you know what singular extensions are? You do not understand what you are saying. You like using buzzwords but you are not a programmer. Forcing lines are the easiest to analyze even humans can go 30 - 40 ply. See Botvinnik vs Capablanca Avro 1938 for an example.
Hi phrontister that is too bad. None of mine are working anymore.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#130 2011-01-27 01:43:39
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i'm sorry, but if we know nothing can you explain what it means then?
#131 2011-01-27 01:44:43
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How many times do you have to be Proved wrong! before you Admit to yourself you are up against a far more Intelligent...Higher...Being.
is there any need for this?
#132 2011-01-27 01:48:37
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bobbym wrote:
None of mine are working anymore.
I couldn't find Novag's original power adaptor for the Houdini challenge, but found another whose specs were close enough...and it worked.
Years ago when I got the urge I'd charge up the batteries on my NC3.6 and during my lunch break on a nice day would go down to the park with my chess set. Never too good at it, though. Wins were few and far between.
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#133 2011-01-27 01:51:43
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Hi phrontister;
I did that too. With the arrival of the desktops the field has really taken off. How do you like the new Arena, I have not tried it yet?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#134 2011-01-27 02:08:04
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Hi dolgopolov
Are you bobbym's Brother?
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#135 2011-01-27 02:12:20
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GeniusIsBack;
GeniusIsBack wrote:
Hi dolgopolov
Are you bobbym's Brother?
You and I have bantered for a long time on this forum. Going back to when I was a member. I have never pulled you up for your comments to me but I will not let you bash other members. That is your second inflammatory comment. Please stop right now!
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#136 2011-01-27 02:18:26
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Hi Bobby,
After reading the chess posts on this thread I wanted to run a chess engine tournament and so I downloaded Winboard, which had good reviews. However, engine installation seemed a bit awkward and so I searched for another GUI. That's when I found Arena, which handles that task VERY easily.
I haven't explored it much at all but it appears to have a HUGE number of features. It was excellent for this present task, and I'm very impressed everything I tried out on it. Quite good documentation, too.
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#137 2011-01-27 02:21:12
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Everybody tries Winboard out first, I guess, me too. You are right it always was difficult to install and engine. Does it accept a UCI engine yet?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#138 2011-01-27 02:25:33
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I didn't get far enough with installing on Winboard to work out whether or not it accepts UCIs, but Arena definitely does.
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#139 2011-01-27 02:27:13
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Yes, I know. The UCI protocol is the preferred one. Have you ever used Arena on the ICS?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#140 2011-01-27 02:32:44
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No, I haven't. I've never played any games of any kind on such networks. Just haven't had the inclination to do so.
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#141 2011-01-27 02:35:21
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It can be an adventure. A lot of cheating going on. Sometimes you run into people who are running Fritz to make their moves for them. But just to mention it Arena does a good jog of handling it. Also there are 4 or 5 other free chess sites where the players are on the up and up.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#142 2011-01-27 02:40:12
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Maybe one day I might venture out into that world, but I prefer 'live' person contact for such games. Watching the expressions change, the verbal banter between friends, etc.
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#143 2011-01-27 02:43:43
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I understand. I am like that too. Have you ever played any of the engines you have? You can reduce their strength or give them less time.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#144 2011-01-27 02:54:35
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No, I haven't. I didn't know of their existence until I read the chess posts here and decided to run my little playoff tournament.
I know these programs can be very good chess teachers and are jam-packed full of helpful features, but there are so many other things I need/want to do and there's just one of me to try to cope with it all. Maybe when I retire...which is in several decades from now, as you know. 
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#145 2011-01-27 02:58:08
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Yes, I know, several decades at least. It is nice to be in your twenties.
Do you like the 3D boards that Fritz or Jose have? I find them a little difficult to play on.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#146 2011-01-27 03:08:36
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I don't know either of those programs, so I don't know about their 3D. The only 3D I've tried is on ChessMaster and BattleChess (old Amiga game), but I prefer 2D for 'straight' chess.
I like the old-style wood-grained boards for 'live' play and I have a nice, ordinary set of weighted pieces for it. The friend with whom I played Loser's chess over Christmas had a horrible transparent glass board on which the squares were difficult to recognise if the light was unhelpful.
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#147 2011-01-27 03:11:34
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I know that type, I had an onyx set like that. I could tell one piece from another. Staunton pieces and Merida for computer screens are my favorites. Wood boards are really nice but I once had a board with grey and red squares and I really liked it.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#148 2011-01-27 03:28:44
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Staunton. That's the word I was trying to think of...and it's the design of my weighted set. On ChessMaster my custom set was Staunton pieces on a Mahogany board.
The friend who I played over Christmas once played a simultaneous match against another mate and myself, and as luck would have it I'd just come across Legal's Mate...and he fell for it, making every move as per the book!
1. e4 e5
2. Bc4 d6
3. Nf3 Bg4
4. Nc3 g6
5. Nxe5 Bxd1
6. Bxf7+ Ke7
7. Nd5 mate
Bedzzzzz! 
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#149 2011-01-27 03:43:25
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bobbym & phrontister
Two Pea's in a Pod!
I had a School friend like That!/This! Then I Discovered Girls!...
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#150 2011-01-27 11:23:02
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Hi GeniusIsBack;
Are you implying something? I have asked you nicely at least 3 times to modify or clean up your behaviour.
You have already been barred 4 or 5 times before. Your comments are disgusting, your conduct is contemptible and you are barred!
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.