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#26 2010-06-26 21:04:01

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

A fabulous idea, a conducting gas! Why didn't I think of that? How can we contact BP with your idea? May I be your agent, I only charge 11%.


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#27 2010-06-26 21:07:50

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

Just tell them.
quickly, and tell them to make induction in the oil hole (long term, as in a whire attached to the bottom of it)

11% of my winning on it? Sure, but remember we can't be held responsible if the idea goes wrong.

And I can't give you 11% of the positive health effect for me though... I just don't know how to do that...

Bobbym? are you there?

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#28 2010-06-26 21:17:01

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Bobbym??!


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#29 2010-06-26 21:21:04

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

Hi LQ;

I am here, just stepped away for a bit. I accept your generous offfer. I don't know how to contact BP.

Stepping away for a bit. again.


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#30 2010-06-26 21:23:38

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

Hey? what happened to the conducting matterial in the oil and water to stop the oil leak and the induction in the oil hole?


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#31 2010-06-26 21:44:52

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I can't access page 2.

If induction is in the oil hole, it might cause an uppwards rotation of the oil. The induction has got to follow that.


New idea: put a magnetic/electric field over the oil leak, so that it would attract the electrons in the oil to the surface and cause induction in the hole.

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#32 2010-06-26 23:50:36

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Hi LQ;

I don't know if it is possible to rip the electrons from an oil molecule.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#33 2010-06-26 23:52:54

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chemically?


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#34 2010-06-26 23:58:53

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

Chemically, I would think no. Petroleum products are mostly organic molecules, formed by covalent bonds. So there is a sharing of electrons. Compounds formed by Ionic bonds readily give or take electrons.


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#35 2010-06-27 00:00:25

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can one charge the hole through a gigantic electrone-canon?
Or possibly an ion-canon?

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#36 2010-06-27 00:06:27

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That I don't know. Whether or not the rim of the hole can be charged with respect to what?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#37 2010-06-27 00:08:31

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With respect to the side of the hole? With respect to a none charged side of the hole? Surely there's induction anyway? It's got potential.

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#38 2010-06-27 00:17:35

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Hi;

Even if you could charge the sides of the hole, a difficult thing to do under water. How can you get it to stop the oil?


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#39 2010-06-27 00:21:22

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

We charge the oil in the hole, it has the same effect.

2. release a high friction material in the hole to cause self induction?


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#40 2010-06-27 00:27:51

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Is any of my ideas good?

New idea: bombard the hole with a light with a frequency that allows it so go straight through the oil and everything else, causing a induction from the photons magnetic/electric fields.

Idea 2. Put hay / absorbing material (as proposed by others) on top of the oil release, so that it doesn't get inhaled by the storm.

like material left over from sawing (sågspån in swedish)

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#41 2010-06-27 06:03:25

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Re: Make proposals to stopping the oil leakage in the mexican gulf

New idea: bombard the hole with a light with a frequency that allows it so go straight through the oil and everything else, causing a induction from the photons magnetic/electric fields.

High frequency light or gamma rays could be used. Only thing is they might ionize some of the material but as far as I know, photons do not have a charge. Therefore they would not be affected.

Idea 2. Put hay / absorbing material (as proposed by others) on top of the oil release, so that it doesn't get inhaled by the storm.

That is a standard move by carpenters and mechanics and such to sop up excess oil. Also activated charcoal could be used. Don't think it is feasible because of the size of the spill.


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#42 2010-06-27 06:34:14

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about lights charge, let's hit up wikipedia, cause I read about it.


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#43 2010-06-27 06:36:49

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-quote from wikipedia:

Electromagnetic theory

A linearly polarized light wave frozen in time and showing the two oscillating components of light; an electric field and a magnetic field perpendicular to each other and to the direction of motion (a transverse wave).In 1845, Michael Faraday discovered that the plane of polarization of linearly polarized light is rotated when the light rays travel along the magnetic field direction in the presence of a transparent dielectric, an effect now known as Faraday rotation.[10] This was the first evidence that light was related to electromagnetism. In 1846 he speculated that light might be some form of disturbance propagating along magnetic field lines.[11] Faraday proposed in 1847 that light was a high-frequency electromagnetic vibration, which could propagate even in the absence of a medium such as the ether.

Faraday's work inspired James Clerk Maxwell to study electromagnetic radiation and light. Maxwell discovered that self-propagating electromagnetic waves would travel through space at a constant speed, which happened to be equal to the previously measured speed of light. From this, Maxwell concluded that light was a form of electromagnetic radiation: he first stated this result in 1862 in On Physical Lines of Force. In 1873, he published A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, which contained a full mathematical description of the behaviour of electric and magnetic fields, still known as Maxwell's equations. Soon after, Heinrich Hertz confirmed Maxwell's theory experimentally by generating and detecting radio waves in the laboratory, and demonstrating that these waves behaved exactly like visible light, exhibiting properties such as reflection, refraction, diffraction, and interference. Maxwell's theory and Hertz's experiments led directly to the development of modern radio, radar, television, electromagnetic imaging, and wireless communications.

The special theory of relativity
The wave theory was wildly successful in explaining nearly all optical and electromagnetic phenomena, and was a great triumph of nineteenth century physics. By the late nineteenth century, however, a handful of experimental anomalies remained that could not be explained by or were in direct conflict with the wave theory. One of these anomalies involved a controversy over the speed of light. The constant speed of light predicted by Maxwell's equations and confirmed by the Michelson-Morley experiment contradicted the mechanical laws of motion that had been unchallenged since the time of Galileo, which stated that all speeds were relative to the speed of the observer. In 1905, Albert Einstein resolved this paradox by revising the Galilean model of space and time to account for the constancy of the speed of light. Einstein formulated his ideas in his special theory of relativity, which advanced humankind's understanding of space and time. Einstein also demonstrated a previously unknown fundamental equivalence between energy and mass with his famous equation


where E is energy, m is, depending on the context, the rest mass or the relativistic mass, and c is the speed of light in a vacuum.

Particle theory revisited
Another experimental anomaly was the photoelectric effect, by which light striking a metal surface ejected electrons from the surface, causing an electric current to flow across an applied voltage. Experimental measurements demonstrated that the energy of individual ejected electrons was proportional to the frequency, rather than the intensity, of the light. Furthermore, below a certain minimum frequency, which depended on the particular metal, no current would flow regardless of the intensity. These observations appeared to contradict the wave theory, and for years physicists tried in vain to find an explanation. In 1905, Einstein solved this puzzle as well, this time by resurrecting the particle theory of light to explain the observed effect. Because of the preponderance of evidence in favor of the wave theory, however, Einstein's ideas were met initially by great skepticism among established physicists. But eventually Einstein's explanation of the photoelectric effect would triumph, and it ultimately formed the basis for wave–particle duality and much of quantum mechanics.

Quantum theory
A third anomaly that arose in the late 19th century involved a contradiction between the wave theory of light and measurements of the electromagnetic spectrum emitted by thermal radiators, or so-called black bodies. Physicists struggled with this problem, which later became known as the ultraviolet catastrophe, unsuccessfully for many years. In 1900, Max Planck developed a new theory of black-body radiation that explained the observed spectrum. Planck's theory was based on the idea that black bodies emit light (and other electromagnetic radiation) only as discrete bundles or packets of energy. These packets were called quanta, and the particle of light was given the name photon, to correspond with other particles being described around this time, such as the electron and proton. A photon has an energy, E, proportional to its frequency, f, by


where h is Planck's constant, λ is the wavelength and c is the speed of light. Likewise, the momentum p of a photon is also proportional to its frequency and inversely proportional to its wavelength:


As it originally stood, this theory did not explain the simultaneous wave- and particle-like natures of light, though Planck would later work on theories that did. In 1918, Planck received the Nobel Prize in Physics for his part in the founding of quantum theory.

Wave–particle duality
The modern theory that explains the nature of light includes the notion of wave–particle duality, described by Albert Einstein in the early 1900s, based on his study of the photoelectric effect and Planck's results. Einstein asserted that the energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency. More generally, the theory states that everything has both a particle nature and a wave nature, and various experiments can be done to bring out one or the other. The particle nature is more easily discerned if an object has a large mass, and it was not until a bold proposition by Louis de Broglie in 1924 that the scientific community realized that electrons also exhibited wave–particle duality. The wave nature of electrons was experimentally demonstrated by Davisson and Germer in 1927. Einstein received the Nobel Prize in 1921 for his work with the wave–particle duality on photons (especially explaining the photoelectric effect thereby), and de Broglie followed in 1929 for his extension to other particles.

Quantum electrodynamics
The quantum mechanical theory of light and electromagnetic radiation continued to evolve through the 1920s and 1930s, and culminated with the development during the 1940s of the theory of quantum electrodynamics, or QED. This so-called quantum field theory is among the most comprehensive and experimentally successful theories ever formulated to explain a set of natural phenomena. QED was developed primarily by physicists Richard Feynman, Freeman Dyson, Julian Schwinger, and Shin-Ichiro Tomonaga. Feynman, Schwinger, and Tomonaga shared the 1965 Nobel Prize in Physics for their contributions.

Light pressure
Main article: Radiation pressure
Light pushes on objects in its path, just as the wind would do. This pressure is most easily explainable in particle theory: photons hit and transfer their momentum. Light pressure can cause asteroids to spin faster,[12] acting on their irregular shapes as on the vanes of a windmill. The possibility to make solar sails that would accelerate spaceships in space is also under investigation.[13][14]

Although the motion of the Crookes radiometer was originally attributed to light pressure, this interpretation is incorrect; the characteristic Crookes rotation is the result of a partial vacuum.[15] This should not be confused with the Nichols radiometer, in which the motion is directly caused by light pressure.[16]

Spirituality
Further information: Light and darkness

An intricate display for the feast of St. Thomas at Kallara Pazhayapalli in Kottayam, Kerala, India dramatically illustrates the importance of light in religion.The sensory perception of light plays a central role in spirituality (vision, enlightenment, darshan, Tabor Light). The presence of light as opposed to its absence (darkness) is a common metaphor of good and evil, knowledge and ignorance, and similar concepts. This idea is prevalent in both Eastern and Western spirituality.

See also
Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Light
Look up light in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Light
Automotive lighting
Ballistic photon
Color temperature
Electromagnetic spectrum
Fermat's principle
Huygens' principle
International Commission on Illumination
Journal of Luminescence
Light beam – in particular about light beams visible from the side
Light Fantastic (TV series)
Light pollution
Light therapy
Lighting
Luminescence: The Journal of Biological and Chemical Luminescence
Photic sneeze reflex
Photometry
Rights of Light
Risks and benefits of sun exposure
Spectrometry
Spectroscopy
Visible light
Wave–particle duality
References
^ CIE (1987). International Lighting Vocabulary. Number 17.4. CIE, 4th edition. ISBN 978-3-900734-07-7.
By the International Lighting Vocabulary, the definition of light is: “Any radiation capable of causing a visual sensation directly.”
^ Gregory Hallock Smith (2006), Camera lenses: from box camera to digital, SPIE Press, p. 4, ISBN 9780819460936, http://books.google.com/?id=6mb0C0cFCEYC&pg=PA4 
^ Narinder Kumar (2008), Comprehensive Physics XII, Laxmi Publications, p. 1416, ISBN 9788170085928, http://books.google.com/?id=IryMtwHHngIC&pg=PA1416#v=onepage&q= 
^ Scientific Method, Statistical Method and the Speed of Light. Statistical Science 2000, Vol. 15, No. 3, 254–278
^ Vyasa, Krishna-Dwai, The Mahabharata of Krishna-Dwaipayana Vyasa First Book Adi Parva, The Echo Library, p. 41, ISBN 978-1-40687-045-9, http://books.google.be/books?id=NYg_CBpCCHAC , Section III , p. 41
^ Ptolemy and A. Mark Smith (1996), Ptolemy's Theory of Visual Perception: An English Translation of the Optics with Introduction and Commentary, Diane Publishing, p. 23, ISBN 0-871-69862-5 
^ Theories of light, from Descartes to Newton A. I. Sabra CUP Archive,1981 pg 48 ISBN 0521284368, 9780521284363
^ 'Theories of light, from Descartes to Newton A. I. Sabra CUP Archive,1981 pg 48 ISBN 0521284368, 9780521284363
^ David Cassidy, Gerald Holton, James Rutherford (2002), Understanding Physics, Birkhäuser, ISBN 0387987568, http://books.google.com/?id=rpQo7f9F1xUC&pg=PA382 
^ Longair, Malcolm. Theoretical Concepts in Physics (2003) p. 87.
^ Longair, Malcolm. Theoretical Concepts in Physics (2003) p. 87
^ Kathy A. (02.05.2004). "Asteroids Get Spun By the Sun". Discover Magazine. http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/asteroids-get-spun-by-the-sun/. 
^ "Solar Sails Could Send Spacecraft 'Sailing' Through Space". NASA. 2004-08-31. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/roboticexplorers/solar_sails.html. 
^ "NASA team successfully deploys two solar sail systems". NASA. 08.9.2004. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/marshall/news/news/releases/2004/04-208.html. 
^ P. Lebedev, Untersuchungen über die Druckkräfte des Lichtes, Ann. Phys. 6, 433 (1901).
^ Nichols, E.F & Hull, G.F. (1903) The Pressure due to Radiation, The Astrophysical Journal,Vol.17 No.5, p.315–351

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#44 2010-06-27 06:53:53

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Hi LQ;

A photon is a massless ( having only relativistic mass), chargelesss particle. None of that up there contradicts that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

Look under physical properties.


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#45 2010-06-27 06:57:46

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Yes, over long distances, bobbym.

over short distances it has a magnetic and electric field that causes induction, none of that you wrote contradicts that.

Do you see my point / where I'm going?

We need that induction.

(besides, it's a myth that the photon has no mass, same with charge and magnetic field, it does have them, m = p/c)

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#46 2010-06-27 13:53:08

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Do you see my point / where I'm going?

Not quite. When we speak of current made through induction or any other way, we mean a flow of electrons. The electron has mass and charge.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#47 2010-06-27 19:49:16

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The photon has a variating charge that can also be used for induction.

+ Allmost all physicians recognise that the photon has mass, momentum/lightspeed.


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#48 2010-06-27 20:02:55

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Never heard of a variating charge.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#49 2010-06-27 20:07:30

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yes, its wave is in form of an electrical and magnetical field.

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#50 2010-06-27 21:38:58

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Okay so what happens now?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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