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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Yes, you did it!

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**ganesh****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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**BABY** to **GIRL** to **LADY**.

Character is who you are when no one is looking.

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**BigSwift****Member**- Registered: 2010-03-20
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BABY

BABE

BALE

BALL

BILL

GILL

GIRL

GILL

GALL

GALE

BALE

BADE

LADE

LADY

_________

BOOK to CAKE to DOOR

*Last edited by BigSwift (2010-03-21 08:58:54)*

~\~ Give a man a fish and he eats for the day. Teach a man how to fish and you ruin a perfectly good business opportunity ~/~

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

book, cook, cork, core, come, came, cake, coke, core, cork, cook, book, boor, door

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Challenge #20: **PEON **to **LORD **to **KING**

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-21 11:53:23)*

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

peon,poon,loon,lorn,lord, lard,land,band,bind,kind,king

ape to man to boy

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

I had a shorter answer for **PEON **to **LORD **to **KING**.

**ZERO **to **NULL **to **LOVE**

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-21 14:04:21)*

"The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do." - Ted Nelson

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-21 15:09:41)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

I though you were supposed to come up with the longest way to do these? I have a 11235 length one I was going to post...

zero,hero,helo,hell,hull,null,dull,doll,dole,dove,love

Try this then:

woman to waked to manly

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.**

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

My answer for **ZERO **to **NULL **to **LOVE** is shorter.

*EDIT: I can't count...just noticed our scores are the same.*

Re WOMAN to WAKED to MANLY: "Suffixes are not permitted"...from ganesh's rules in post #1.

I don't know exactly what is meant by that rule or how strictly we should apply it. For instance, Jane's first solution to Challenge #8 is BROWN, BLOW**N**, BLOW**S**, FLOW**S**, FLOE**S**, FLEE**S**, FREE**S**, FREE**D**, GREED, GREEN...containing 7 suffixes.

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-22 02:51:10)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

If it's okay with Jane it is okay with me. Let's use em.

Your BABY to GIRL has an error. BABE to CARE is a 2 letter change.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

If it's okay with Jane it is okay with me. Let's use em.

Ok...maybe it will open the game up a bit and appeal to more. Hope ganesh is ok with that.

Your BABY to GIRL has an error. BABE to CARE is a 2 letter change.

Oops...not enough care. Or *any *'CARE', for that matter. I left out the "CARE" in between.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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bobbym wrote:

I though you were supposed to come up with the longest way to do these? I have a 11235 length one I was going to post...

That would have to be a string of 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 or 18-letter words (without repeats), as the other lengths have fewer than 11235 in the dictionary.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

Were you fishing for a Tigeree response?

**FIVE **+ **FOUR **= **NINE**

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-21 22:35:50)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi phrontister;

Are you fishing for a Tigeree response?

I really wasn't thinking about that.

FIVE + FOUR = NINE

Is that an alphametic or another type of problem?

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

Is that an alphametic or another type of problem?

It's a metamorphosis problem like the others in this thread. I just followed Jane's "READ a BOOK" and "PLAY with FIRE" notation style where she used connecting words different from the usual word "to" in order to keep to her problem theme.

It just so happened that, numerically speaking, my third word is the sum of the first two.

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-21 23:14:40)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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five,dive,dire,dore,dorr,dour,four,dour,dorr,dore,dire,dine,nine

meet -> mate -> dine

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

**THREE **-> **SEVEN **-> **EIGHT**

I tried to beat your record of 11235 with this one, but just missed out!

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-22 03:03:03)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I tried to beat your record of 11235 with this one, but just missed out!

How many did you miss by?

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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bobbym wrote:

How many did you miss by?

Only 11215!

Our answers are nearly identical!

Your turn.

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-22 11:24:51)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I had something like that but dropped the sered because I couldn't find it in any dictionary online. I know it's a scrabble word.

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

The Oxford English Dictionary (the full set) has *sere* as a variant of *cere*. *Cere *has a verbal form...hence *sered*. And it's a valid Scrabble word, as you said.

I use the British-English OSW (Official Scrabble Words - by Chambers) when I'm stuck. I also have the American OSPD (Official Scrabble Players Dictionary), but that has fewer words. And I have a SOWPODS list that combines the two...valuable for players interested in international tournaments that allow double-dictionary play.

*Sered *is in both dictionaries.

Without suffixes this puzzle would be impossible.

Did you have shorter solutions than mine to others we've done?

*Last edited by phrontister (2010-03-22 11:45:28)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

No I don't think so.

full -> pour -> half

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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**phrontister****Real Member**- From: The Land of Tomorrow
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Hi Bobby,

I don't think so.

Oh. I wondered if you might have found any really good combinations.

CHESS -> BOARD -> CLOCK

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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killer -> murder -> motive

Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?

Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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