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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Continuing on with my current "equations and functions" obsession, I have made an Implicit Equation Grapher

It basically calculates each pixel and tries to find 0. It has trouble with missing parts of the domain, for example tan() goes from "negative large number" to "positive large number" so assumes it is 0 in between and I am not sure how to convince it otherwise (without heaps of code and very slow response).

It is nonetheless heaps of fun seeing the different things it can do.

Play with it and let me know how you go.

Post interesting equations, too.

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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Fun toy! My favourite one that I've found so far is sin(5x) = cos(5x).

Why did the vector cross the road?

It wanted to be normal.

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Cool! Thats just what I need.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi MathsisFun;

Nice grapher!

Playing with this one.

*Last edited by bobbym (2009-10-03 01:21:35)*

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**simron****Real Member**- Registered: 2006-10-07
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This is really great!

I like sin(x)=tan(y).

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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Haha, bobbym's is crazy.

Why did the vector cross the road?

It wanted to be normal.

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Try this.

`y=abs(x)*tan(3*sqrt(x^2+y^2))`

Its actually an Archimedean spiral superimposed on its reflection in the *y*-axis (recall that an Archimedean spiral has the form *r* = *aθ* in polar coordinates). To fit more turns into the picture, try y=abs(x)*tan(4*sqrt(x^2+y^2)), y=abs(x)*tan(5*sqrt(x^2+y^2)), etc.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi MathsisFun;

Seems to be okay, haven't been able to crash it.

Like this one:

*Last edited by bobbym (2009-10-03 12:49:03)*

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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I am so glad everyone likes it!

Some really wild equations, too

An example of where it goes wrong is bobby's "x^2*cos(x)=y*tan(y)" ... I don't believe the horizontal straight lines should be there at +/-π/2, they are an artifact of tan(y) changing sign, so the program assumes there is a zero in there.

The program has no way of knowing that the magical zero point is undefined. Any ideas on how to solve this?

A simpler example is "1/(1+x)=y"

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Maths;

Is it the vertical asymptote you don't like for 1 / ( 1 + x ) = y ?

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.**

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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bobbym wrote:

Is it the vertical asymptote you don't like for 1 / ( 1 + x ) = y ?

Correct.

I have been able to "suppress" lines like that by skipping over values above, say 100, but that may also miss valid points.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi MathsisFun;

If you go here:

And enter in the top box, just as it is written below:

Plot[1/(x+1),{x,-5,5}]

You will see that yours is fine. At least for this graph.

*Last edited by bobbym (2009-10-03 17:25:03)*

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Thanks bobby,

That gives me some courage. So perhaps Wolfram and I can simply put it down to an ill-defined domain.

I am still not happy, but I have tried different techniques and they all have side effects.

I will put some warning on the page to cover it.

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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I have given it *ZOOM* capabilities.

You should see **cos(x)+sin(x*y)=cos(y*x)+sin(y)** , but that is hard on the poor program!

I also mentioned about the "extra lines" ... does it seem a reasonable explanation?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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MathsisFun;

Graphing is always a problem. You can only sample a finite amount of points. There are equations that look different with different scales even in math packages and graphic calculators.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**simron****Real Member**- Registered: 2006-10-07
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One thing I'd like to see is recognizing that xy is the same thing as x*y.

Another one I like is tan(x*y)=sin(x)+cos(y).

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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simron wrote:

One thing I'd like to see is recognizing that xy is the same thing as x*y

That is a good idea, possibly hard, but I will look into it.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi all;

Working fine:

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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bobbym wrote:

Try .

*Last edited by JaneFairfax (2009-10-06 09:39:33)*

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Whoa, that would make a good logo.

BTW, I have called it an "Implicit Equation Grapher", but maybe it should just be "Equation Grapher" ... ?

Or something else?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Jane;

Jane wrote:

That's a nice one. It looks meaner than mine.

Hi MathsisFun;

Since it can graph explicit forms, I guess you can call it "The Grapher" or "The Plotter".

We can make a small improvement on Jane's improvement.

*Last edited by bobbym (2009-10-06 04:14:47)*

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Or .

*Last edited by JaneFairfax (2009-10-06 09:41:57)*

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Jane;

Or this one:

I especially like the feathered effect at the corners.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Love them!

I added a Print button.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi MathsisFun;

Do you think it would be possible to save the graph in some format like jpeg or gif so that the graph could be used in a post ?

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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