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#1 2009-08-02 17:54:27

bobbym
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Is this funny?

This certain math instructor was telling an anecdote about an admiral and his subordinates trying to figure out how to be sure to destroy an enemy target using a certain missile. Now the admiral explains to his men that the missile has a 1/3 chance of destroying the target. He mistakenly states therefore it will take 3 missiles to definitely destroy the target. One of the subordinates is asked if that is correct. He reasons that each missile has a 1/3 chance so he punches into his calculator .3333333333+.3333333333+.3333333333=.9999999999. This he correctly states is slightly less than 1 so it will take a little bit more than 3 missiles to definitely destroy the target.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#2 2009-08-02 18:08:39

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Re: Is this funny?

An example of Military Intelligence?


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#3 2009-08-03 01:48:11

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Re: Is this funny?

You meant he incorrectly states right?


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#4 2009-08-03 02:09:44

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Re: Is this funny?

Hi Ubergeek;

Since these are terminating decimals he is right about .3333333333+.3333333333+.3333333333=.9999999999 < 1

Last edited by bobbym (2009-08-03 11:23:05)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#5 2009-08-03 09:29:32

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Re: Is this funny?

So long as they are terminating decimals.


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#6 2009-08-03 11:22:04

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Re: Is this funny?

Hi;

Definitely, his mistake is that he truncated 1/3 to a terminating decimal. Instead of punching in 1/3 in his calc (many scientific calcs when adding 1/3, 3 times will get 1 as the answer) he punched in .3333333333

I think the math instructor is trying to say that the subordinate thinks .3333333333 = 1/3 when .3333333333... = 1/3


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#7 2009-08-03 14:28:46

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Re: Is this funny?

bobbym wrote:

Hi;I think the math instructor is trying to say that the subordinate thinks .3333333333 = 1/3 when .3333333333... = 1/3

I think it may be so. Either way, isn't the difference way to little to take another missile to destroy the target? I mean, you don't have to pulverize it all, the difference of 0.9999999999 to 1 can't mean anything relevant.


"Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true."

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#8 2009-08-03 14:53:09

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Hi Ubergeek;

The problem now becomes that the admiral and the subordinate believe you can a add the probabilities up. It's simple to prove that this is nonsense 4 * 1/3 = 4/3 so 4 missiles gives you a probability of 4/3 of destroying the target? Probablities can not exceed 1 and 4/3 is bigger than 1.

In actuality, firing 3 missiles only gives you a probability of 1-(2/3)^3 ≈ .7037 or about a 70% chance that you have destroyed the target. Their analysis is foolish because no amount of missiles can guarantee that the target is destroyed.

Last edited by bobbym (2009-08-03 19:27:39)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#9 2009-08-04 10:23:22

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Re: Is this funny?

bobbym wrote:

Hi Ubergeek;

The problem now becomes that the admiral and the subordinate believe you can a add the probabilities up. It's simple to prove that this is nonsense 4 * 1/3 = 4/3 so 4 missiles gives you a probability of 4/3 of destroying the target? Probablities can not exceed 1 and 4/3 is bigger than 1.

In actuality, firing 3 missiles only gives you a probability of 1-(2/3)^3 ≈ .7037 or about a 70% chance that you have destroyed the target. Their analysis is foolish because no amount of missiles can guarantee that the target is destroyed.

eek roflol Lol, that's true. I got so caugh up in the decimal thing I didn't realized the joke was on the probability. Thanks for clarifying bobbym.


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#10 2009-08-05 03:16:41

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Re: Is this funny?

Hi Ubergeek;

The joke is really on the people who live in that country and are trusting there navy to defend them.

Last edited by bobbym (2009-08-05 06:25:31)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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