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## #1 2007-08-02 04:08:53

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### True negative gain?

Imagine that each braincell has its own perspective and do not experience other particles change, any reaction in the brain is hence picturelike and not percepted by any one cell, instead the reality we percept is caused by an reality inducer. Then here's a mind experiment:

"If no one can have a true negative gain in their hand (like -2 apples), then neither can you be a negative gain, nor can anyone make you more negative in that which you have gained."

Is that true?

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## #2 2007-08-02 09:03:36

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### Re: True negative gain?

I think you might want to go for comprehensible before you start asking if it's true.  And besides, asking if something is true is worthless unless you show your premise to be true.  I certainly don't accept it.

"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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## #3 2007-08-02 09:25:03

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### Re: True negative gain?

LQ wrote:

"If no one can have a true negative gain in their hand ..."

There are many things that are true (or even real!) that cannot be held in your hand.

In mathematics we start with a few laws and build up truths within that framework. What is true in that framework may not be real, but can often be applied successfully to the real world.

"The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..."  - Leon M. Lederman

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## #4 2007-08-02 09:54:36

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### Re: True negative gain?

First i wouldn't like to comment the "loads of stuff that fits in your brain cannot be held by hand" philosophy

Then secondly the whole "I think a picture can be conscious" thingy is just beyond me. I don't think so.

I will change my signature and see if you agree with that one atleast this time.

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## #5 2007-08-05 16:54:30

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### Re: True negative gain?

Negative numbers might be describing something reciprocal.

Like I owe you two apples. You write "I have 2 future apples" and I can write "I have -2 future apples".

X'(y-Xβ)=0

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## #6 2007-08-05 17:37:35

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### Re: True negative gain?

I am always looking for examples to show people the "reality" of negative numbers. If you can think of any good ones let me know.

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## #7 2007-08-07 03:28:35

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### Re: True negative gain?

Experience is made of +things and it cannot diverge, cause then your not experiencing.
It's not other objects that are the happiness to you
A pain is a hum hum that tells you no more hum hum. hum hum is gain.
You have never experience -(hum hum), it's bogus it does not exist.

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## #8 2007-08-08 23:05:53

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### Re: True negative gain?

Don't be too philosophical about maths, philosophy never got anyone anywhere. Maths is a brilliant framework for describing things, but we must remember that it is just that.

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## #9 2007-08-08 23:45:04

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### Re: True negative gain?

It can be negative regarding directions.

N-S E-W Clockwise-CounterClockwise

X'(y-Xβ)=0

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## #10 2007-08-10 16:23:58

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### Re: True negative gain?

If you set N30° as possitive, then S30° can be regard as -30°. I guess this negative 30° is true.

X'(y-Xβ)=0

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## #11 2007-08-12 02:16:26

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### Re: True negative gain?

Yeah, well how do you reverse +experience?

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## #12 2007-08-12 09:35:28

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### Re: True negative gain?

A night out

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## #13 2007-08-12 19:48:02

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### Re: True negative gain?

Even though you don't remember it, the acting will still be a part of you.

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## #14 2007-08-14 07:54:42

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### Re: True negative gain?

Yes, but our world is determined by what we choose to perceive, which, subconsciously, is what we remember having perceived.

"Knowledge is directly proportional to the amount of equipment ruined."
"This woman painted a picture of me; she was clearly a psychopath"

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## #15 2007-08-14 20:33:53

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### Re: True negative gain?

An objects present would be a start without it's past, wouldn't it?
Well where is the objects past?

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## #16 2007-08-15 00:37:13

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### Re: True negative gain?

"The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..."  - Leon M. Lederman

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## #17 2007-08-15 00:59:13

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### Re: True negative gain?

I don't watch youtube, it's totally perverted.

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## #18 2007-08-15 01:23:23

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### Re: True negative gain?

"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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## #19 2007-08-15 01:55:36

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### Re: True negative gain?

Well you better prepare yourself cause we are in the matrix and our rare ends means bacon to them. Atleast that's what they think they mean.

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