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You are not logged in. #1 2006-03-05 04:41:52
Proof that 1 = -1Here's a simple "proof" of something impossible that one of my friends came up with in high school. Someone who really understands second year high school algebra ought to be able to see the mistake in it, but at least half the math teachers at school couldn't figure it out! Here goes. Sorry, I'll stop making equation images unless I need them for something complicated. This was just I test to see if I understood the system. #2 2006-03-05 05:45:09
Re: Proof that 1 = -1
Imagine for a moment that even an earthworm may possess a love of self and a love of others. #4 2006-03-05 06:08:43
Re: Proof that 1 = -1Not entirely. "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #5 2006-03-05 09:05:26
Re: Proof that 1 = -1I assume you mean a second degree polynomial equation here? There are two (though once in a while they are the same as each other). I think I see where you're going with this, but it is also quite possible to find the problem with this proof using only what we know about the properties of complex numbers. These are properties that I believe are taught in the second year of Algebra at most high schools. #6 2006-03-05 09:37:07
Re: Proof that 1 = -1I agree with what Ricky is implying. Why did the vector cross the road? It wanted to be normal. #7 2006-03-05 10:12:00
Re: Proof that 1 = -1Sorry I was so cryptic. I just like to let others trying to get it without being told the answer.
Well, technically, there are always two. Just because they have the same value doesn't mean they aren't two roots.
Can you be more specific? Besides the ± which mathsyperson pointed out, I see no other incorrect steps in the proof. Last edited by Ricky (2006-03-05 10:15:06) "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #8 2006-03-05 11:29:26
Re: Proof that 1 = -1Now I see what you were saying. When solving algebra equations, if you apply a square root to both sides it is then necessary to be careful to choose the correct + or - sign when you apply it, because the correct solution to your equation might only be valid in one of those cases. #9 2006-03-05 11:46:04
Re: Proof that 1 = -1When I first went through this exercise a long time ago, it also got me thinking about more general problem solving strategies. Let's say you have a proof like this that you know is wrong but you can't figure out where the problem was introduced. If the proof was really long then it could take forever to go through it line by line to find the mistake. A good trick is to evaluate it at key points throughout your work. #10 2006-03-05 16:02:48
Re: Proof that 1 = -1You have to be careful with that method though because you can be right for the wrong reason. But that is what I used as well. "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #11 2006-04-06 08:52:59
Re: Proof that 1 = -1Hi, Last edited by kimrei (2006-04-06 09:07:54) #12 2006-04-06 09:37:51
Re: Proof that 1 = -1Ummm... it seems that whenever you dip your toe into "0" that kind of thing happens, and x-1=0. "The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..." - Leon M. Lederman #13 2006-04-09 05:21:26
Re: Proof that 1 = -1There's also this one: #14 2006-04-09 20:18:29
Re: Proof that 1 = -1You Cannot Divide By 0. IPBLE: Increasing Performance By Lowering Expectations. #15 2006-04-09 20:20:18
Re: Proof that 1 = -1Or,when you want to solve this parametric euation, for example: IPBLE: Increasing Performance By Lowering Expectations. #16 2006-05-20 03:45:10
Re: Proof that 1 = -1to the first post The Beginning Of All Things To End. The End Of All Things To Come. #17 2006-05-20 10:47:09
Re: Proof that 1 = -1You got it. In general, the fallacy that was committed was using a theorem while not meeting its preconditions first. "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #18 2006-05-20 13:53:11
Re: Proof that 1 = -1or or or So we should NOT consider Last edited by liuv (2006-05-20 14:44:29) I'm from Beijing China. my MSN: B747_400F@HOTMAIL.COM |