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**ryos****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-04
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So, I'm sitting (lying, actually) peacefully, studying H NMR spectroscopy for my Organic Chemistry class, when I come to the topic of splitting. Basically, NMR spectrometers apply a magnetic field to the substance under study, and different hydrogens emit peaks of RF radiations at slightly different frequencies based on the structure of the molecule; this lets us infer a lot of information about the a molecule's structure.

Anyway, hydrogens that are vicinal to each other split the peaks of their neighbors. The "mini-peaks" are not the same height as each other, but rather are governed by a ratio of heights. Here are the height ratios listed in a table of my book for multiplets from a doublet to a septet:

```
1:1
1:2:1
1:3:3:1
1:4:6:4:1
1:5:10:10:5:1
1:6:15:20:15:6:1
```

Does that look familiar to anyone else? Score one for Pascal!

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**krassi_holmz****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-12-02
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Wanna know something other?

Pascal's Δ

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Or my version: Pascal's Triangle

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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On the web page krassi h. pointed out, their is a mistake in the diagram of pascal's triangle. The 186 in the bottom row should be a 286 I think.

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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I really enjoyed MIF's pages on Pascal's triangle! My favorite part was the picture of the marbles in a tetrahedron. Wonderful implications, how the diagonal rows are possibly for each successive dimension that we cannot visualize in our 3-D world, at least that's what we can see with our eyes.

Diagonal rows:

1. all ones (0-D ?)

2. 1-D (counting numbers along a line)

3. 2-D triangle (like bowling pins)

4. 3-D triangle (like the marbles MIF has depicted)

5. 4-D triangle I am guessing, how could we prove this?????

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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What is vicinal hydrogens?? Is it in close proximity to each other??

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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I found this, but wish it explained more.

http://www.wfu.edu/~ylwong/chem/nmr/h1/splitting.html

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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And this is fun to read... http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/sci/chem/t … c/nmr1.htm

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**ryos****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-04
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"Vicinal" hydrogens are separated by three bonds. So, in this structure: H3--C--C--H3 (ethane), 3 hydrogens are vicinal to three others.

So yes, they're close together, but not so much in space as in bonds (though it usually means in space, too).

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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Thanks for the info, ryos, and Boy, this chemistry reading is really fascinating.

And difficult.

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**krassi_holmz****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-12-02
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Ya, It's difficult-not so easy as math!!!

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