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Hello everybody,

A collegue of mine asked me an interesting question : is there any identity algorithm for the Rubik's cube (an algorithm that does not change the cube) that is composed of an odd number of movements ?

I call a movement any quarter of turn (L, L', R, R', U, U', D, D', F, F' B, B').

I have some identity algorithm examples :

RR' -> 2 moves

R2 R2 = RR RR -> 4 moves

(R2U)*30 -> 90 moves

(RU')*63 -> 126 moves

(RU)*105 -> 210 moves

I do not think so, but it will be fun trying to prove that. Thanks for sharing the problem.

What is your favorite color?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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There isn't such an algorithm.

Consider the corners of the cube:

After each move, some of the odd labeled corners go into places of even labeled corners and vice versa. So, after any odd number of moves, odd corners end up in even numbered places and the even corners end up in odd numbered places, so such an algorithm is not possible.

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Brilliant!

Now, what did you use to draw that cube?

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**rom1****Member**- Registered: 2014-07-22
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Ok, simple and efficient, thank you anonimnystefy!

Agnishom wrote:

What is your favorite color?

It's a bluish-yellow

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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That is an impossible color.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I think they call it green.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Not blue and yellow in equal proportions.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I never thought about mixing it in equal proportions.

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ShivamS wrote:

Not blue and yellow in equal proportions.

In what proportions then?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I used to mix a can of blue with a can of yellow and always got 2 cans of green.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Agnishom wrote:

Brilliant!

Now, what did you use to draw that cube?

Found it on the interwebs.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The Geebra can do it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Yeah, but it was easier to just find a pic on the interblag than to make it in GG or anywhere and upload it on imgur.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I know, I was talking to Agnishom.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Ah, yes, sorry.

Unrelated to the topic, have you gotten around to looking at Elaina's problems yet?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

No I have not and she is back in Florida for 3 weeks so I will not have to. I am currently very busy with Ubuntu.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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What about Ubuntu?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am switching over to it and any such move is very difficult. I am almost done but almost is not good enough.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Having any problems?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Multitudes of them. I have an XP mentality and it does not fit in a linux world.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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You will have a linux mentality soon. What problems do you have?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am looking for a application dependent fw. There are many for windows but none it seems for linux.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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Why not ask on askubuntu.com?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is where I was looking as well as a lot of other places.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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