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#1 2014-07-11 07:24:08

Al-Allo
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Limits at infinity

Hi, basic question here:

I have

lim 4z^2+z^6
     _________
      1-5z^3

x->positive infinity

Now, I know that this reduces to :

4/z+z^3
________=         0+infinity
                        _________
                           0-5
1/z^3 -5

which gives infinity over -5. Now, how do I evaluate infinity over a constant ??? Is there a fact or definition that tells us how to deal with this ?

Thank you

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#2 2014-07-11 08:01:32

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Re: Limits at infinity

Hi;

The limit is of the form - ∞/∞ so you may use L'Hopitals rule on it.


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#3 2014-07-11 08:02:36

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Re: Limits at infinity

I didn't learn that...  yet.

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#4 2014-07-11 08:04:17

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Re: Limits at infinity

Btw, if you want to see the problem, go her ; http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcI/LimitsAtInfinityI.aspx

it's example 4 at the end

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#5 2014-07-11 08:04:18

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Re: Limits at infinity

Have you tried to break the rational function into smaller pieces?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#6 2014-07-11 08:10:29

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Re: Limits at infinity

L'Hopital's rule basically states that if

So you could differentiate the numerator and denominator until you no longer have 'z' in the denominator.

Last edited by Maburo (2014-07-11 08:11:46)


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#7 2014-07-11 08:26:54

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Re: Limits at infinity

I didn't learn differentiation...

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#8 2014-07-11 08:29:32

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Re: Limits at infinity

Divide the numerator and the denominator by z^3. Want to see how? You would then use:


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#9 2014-07-11 08:40:46

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Re: Limits at infinity

In the first post, that seems to have been done. Al-Allo reduced


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#10 2014-07-11 08:44:51

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Re: Limits at infinity

You are right, he is done then. - ∞ / 5 is -∞. That is the correct answer for the limit.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#11 2014-07-11 08:46:39

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Re: Limits at infinity

Yes, indeed.


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#12 2014-07-11 09:02:56

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Re: Limits at infinity

But... how do you know that - ∞ / 5 is -∞ ???

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#13 2014-07-11 09:05:04

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Re: Limits at infinity

http://www.vitutor.com/calculus/limits/ … inity.html

About half way down.

Also there is theorem about your original problem.

if the degree of z is higher on top, then the limit is infinity


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#14 2014-07-11 09:13:39

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Re: Limits at infinity

Ah ok, thanks for the web page.

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#15 2014-07-11 09:15:50

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Re: Limits at infinity

Also, there is a theorem for when there is one polynomial over another. I put it into post #13.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#16 2014-07-11 09:20:33

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Re: Limits at infinity

bobbym wrote:

Also, there is a theorem for when there is one polynomial over another. I put it into post #13.

Yes, I saw it tongue

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#17 2014-07-11 11:15:30

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Re: Limits at infinity

Are you satisfied or do you need anything else?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#18 2014-07-14 03:59:04

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Re: Limits at infinity

Well, I have another question.

If had something like

lim  9h
x->0

What do you do in these occasions ? Is there a definition that tells us the actions needed ? Thank you (I'm referring to the different letters.)

Last edited by Al-Allo (2014-07-14 03:59:26)

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#19 2014-07-14 04:03:37

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Re: Limits at infinity

That would be 9h. Think about it, if x goes to 0 how does that affect 9h. It does not.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#20 2014-07-14 04:08:44

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Re: Limits at infinity

bobbym wrote:

That would be 9h. Think about it, if x goes to 0 how does that affect 9h. It does not.

Well, at first i thought the same thing but wasn't too sure... ok thanks smile

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#21 2014-07-14 04:09:45

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Re: Limits at infinity

You could consider that 9h to be a constant and the limit operator does not affect it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#22 2014-07-14 04:19:12

Al-Allo
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Re: Limits at infinity

Yeah, that would be an idea!

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