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#1 2014-05-15 01:27:27

mittalanirudh.17
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Need Urgent Help!!

Can anyone explain me how to solve the following problem

Factorise -  x^12 - y^12

Would be really obliged smileyikes

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#2 2014-05-15 01:29:00

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Re: Need Urgent Help!!

Hi;

Is that a minus in front of the x^12?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#3 2014-05-15 01:33:55

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Re: Need Urgent Help!!

If you mean to factor -x^12-y^12 , it is

If you mean to factor x^12-y^12, it is

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#4 2014-05-15 01:36:06

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That is what I mean. The first one maybe can be done by pen and paper but the second one needs a CAS.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#5 2014-05-15 01:37:58

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I don't want to do even the first one without a CAS.

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#6 2014-05-15 01:40:26

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I agree. That is no picnic.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#7 2014-05-15 01:43:12

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Re: Need Urgent Help!!

Here is how:
x^12 - y^12
= (x^6)^2 - (y^6)^2
= (x^6 + y^6)(x^6 - y^6)
= ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)((x^3)^2 - (y^3)^2)
= ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)(x^3 + y^3) (x^3 - y^3)
= (x^2 + y^2) (x^4 - x^2 y^2 + y^4)(x + y) (x^2 - x y + y^2)(x - y) (x^2 + x y + y^2)

We are using a few  identities here:



Last edited by Agnishom (2014-05-15 01:56:50)


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#8 2014-05-15 01:44:18

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Re: Need Urgent Help!!

You can use sum of cubes formula for the first one.

Agnishom wrote:

@bobbym, it is not.

Here is how:
x^12 - y^12 = (x^6)^2 - (y^6)^2 = (x^6 + y^6)(x^6 - y^6) = ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)((x^3)^2 - (y^3)^2) = ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)(x^3 + y^3) (x^3 - y^3) = (x^2 + y^2) (x^4 - x^2 y^2 + y^4)(x + y) (x^2 - x y + y^2)(x - y) (x^2 + x y + y^2)

But a CAS did that for you. Of course it is possible to do by hand but will take a long time.

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#9 2014-05-15 01:45:23

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That is algebraically correct!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#10 2014-05-15 01:46:42

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Please do not confuse the newbie. I agree that it is tedious but this kind of questions are asked in Middle School and you are considered a dummy if you do not answer them.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#11 2014-05-15 01:48:13

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Agnishom wrote:

Please do not confuse the newbie. I agree that it is tedious but this kind of questions are asked in Middle School and you are considered a dummy if you do not answer them.

Please tell me which Middle School.

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#12 2014-05-15 01:50:05

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in Middle School and you are considered a dummy if you do not answer them

Are you sure about that?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#13 2014-05-15 01:52:53

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In the seventh and eighth grade, they can ask you to do this by hand.

But a CAS did that for you. Of course it is possible to do by hand but will take a long time.

I really did it by hand so that the OP gets how to do it.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#14 2014-05-15 01:54:26

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Okay, that is a very nice solution then. I did not see that.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#15 2014-05-15 01:55:02

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Well, not here in the US or Canada.

But even in India, there is little thinking involved in doing this question by hand. It is just a rote computation problem, which is a waste of one's time.

I don't know how you did it in one minute dunno

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#16 2014-05-15 01:59:18

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Thank you, bobbym.

Well, in the begining, in order to see if you can actually recognise those patterns or not, these problems are given to you.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#17 2014-05-15 02:01:38

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Interesting to see what different places put emphasis on.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#18 2014-05-15 02:04:49

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But being able to recognise where a^3 - b^3 and a^2 - b^2 occurs is important.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#19 2014-05-15 02:07:22

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It gets used in problems.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#20 2014-05-15 02:08:42

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That is why it is important. Is it not?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#21 2014-05-15 02:10:45

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It is good that you are so proficient with this type of problem. But as you know I would have turned to the heavy machinery after about a minute...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#22 2014-05-15 03:53:33

mittalanirudh.17
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Re: Need Urgent Help!!

Thank you very much, btw all of you are Indians yikes

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#23 2014-05-15 05:24:23

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2 out of 3 ain't bad.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#24 2014-05-15 05:47:46

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I think 3 out of 4


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#25 2014-05-15 05:49:28

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Counting him, yes.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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