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**mittalanirudh.17****Member**- Registered: 2014-05-15
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Can anyone explain me how to solve the following problem

Factorise - x^12 - y^12

Would be really obliged

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Is that a minus in front of the x^12?

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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If you mean to factor -x^12-y^12 , it is

If you mean to factor x^12-y^12, it is

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is what I mean. The first one maybe can be done by pen and paper but the second one needs a CAS.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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I don't want to do even the first one without a CAS.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I agree. That is no picnic.

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Here is how:

x^12 - y^12

= (x^6)^2 - (y^6)^2

= (x^6 + y^6)(x^6 - y^6)

= ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)((x^3)^2 - (y^3)^2)

= ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)(x^3 + y^3) (x^3 - y^3)

= (x^2 + y^2) (x^4 - x^2 y^2 + y^4)(x + y) (x^2 - x y + y^2)(x - y) (x^2 + x y + y^2)

We are using a few identities here:

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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You can use sum of cubes formula for the first one.

Agnishom wrote:

@bobbym, it is not.

Here is how:

x^12 - y^12 = (x^6)^2 - (y^6)^2 = (x^6 + y^6)(x^6 - y^6) = ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)((x^3)^2 - (y^3)^2) = ((x^2)^3 + (y^2)^3)(x^3 + y^3) (x^3 - y^3) = (x^2 + y^2) (x^4 - x^2 y^2 + y^4)(x + y) (x^2 - x y + y^2)(x - y) (x^2 + x y + y^2)

But a CAS did that for you. Of course it is possible to do by hand but will take a long time.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is algebraically correct!

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Please do not confuse the newbie. I agree that it is tedious but this kind of questions are asked in Middle School and you are considered a dummy if you do not answer them.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Agnishom wrote:

Please do not confuse the newbie. I agree that it is tedious but this kind of questions are asked in Middle School and you are considered a dummy if you do not answer them.

Please tell me which Middle School.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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in Middle School and you are considered a dummy if you do not answer them

Are you sure about that?

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In the seventh and eighth grade, they can ask you to do this by hand.

But a CAS did that for you. Of course it is possible to do by hand but will take a long time.

I really did it by hand so that the OP gets how to do it.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Okay, that is a very nice solution then. I did not see that.

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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Well, not here in the US or Canada.

But even in India, there is little thinking involved in doing this question by hand. It is just a rote computation problem, which is a waste of one's time.

I don't know how you did it in one minute

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Thank you, bobbym.

Well, in the begining, in order to see if you can actually recognise those patterns or not, these problems are given to you.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Interesting to see what different places put emphasis on.

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But being able to recognise where a^3 - b^3 and a^2 - b^2 occurs is important.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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It gets used in problems.

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That is why it is important. Is it not?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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It is good that you are so proficient with this type of problem. But as you know I would have turned to the heavy machinery after about a minute...

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**mittalanirudh.17****Member**- Registered: 2014-05-15
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Thank you very much, btw all of you are Indians

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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2 out of 3 ain't bad.

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I think 3 out of 4

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Counting him, yes.

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