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#1 2014-05-09 22:36:07

caspertts
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help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

first of all, hello I'm new here and I'm not good in math so I decided to join this forum,hope we can help each other!

this is the question that I don't know the answer

D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)
list the elements of D


if I √2,  I will not get the value of x in integer isn't?

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#2 2014-05-09 22:48:20

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

caspertts wrote:

if I √2,  I will not get the value of x in integer isn't?

So what can you say about the set, D?

#3 2014-05-09 22:51:59

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

zetafunc. wrote:
caspertts wrote:

if I √2,  I will not get the value of x in integer isn't?

So what can you say about the set, D?

containt no element?

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#4 2014-05-09 22:53:54

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

The set is

Welcome to the forum;

What is your favorite color?


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#5 2014-05-09 23:02:54

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Agnishom wrote:

The set is

Welcome to the forum;

What is your favorite color?

thanks!my next question,if

A={1}
D={∅}

then A∩D?


sorry for asking simple question like this , favorite color?blue!

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#6 2014-05-10 00:27:47

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

hi caspertts

Welcome to the forum.

A intersection 'phi' is everything in both.  But they haven't got any common elements so it's the empty set again.

Have a look here:

http://www.mathsisfun.com/sets/sets-introduction.html

If that's too simple then use the search with the word 'sets' to find lots more.

Bob

Strictly speaking the empty set is { } not {phi}.  There is a difference which I'll explain if you want.

Last edited by bob bundy (2014-05-10 00:30:59)


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#7 2014-05-10 00:37:16

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

sorry for asking simple question like this

Do not be sorry. All questions are worthy questions.

Yoda wrote:

A fool, no questioner is. By asking, wiser he becomes.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#8 2014-05-10 01:07:01

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

All questions are worthy questions.

I agree with your sentiment but what about:

Is it FALSE to say this question is worthy?

smile

Bob


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#9 2014-05-10 01:18:56

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Axiom: All questions are worthy.

Question: Is it FALSE to say this question is worthy?

Answer: No. [by axiom]

Which part of the axiom is contradicted?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#10 2014-05-10 05:40:00

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

I concede your point.  smile

Bob


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#11 2014-05-10 05:44:37

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cool yay!


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#12 2014-05-10 06:11:02

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Don't get too happy.  I may yet find a sentence that does what I was intending.  smile

Bob


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#13 2014-05-10 12:25:45

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Not necessarily.

There are undoubtedly properties about questions which you cannot prove false.Example: All questions end with a question mark


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#14 2014-05-10 13:37:16

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

bob bundy wrote:

Don't get too happy.  I may yet find a sentence that does what I was intending.  smile

Bob

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#15 2014-05-10 20:13:51

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

hi Agnishom,

After much further thought, I find I am able to find any inconsistency or logical flaw in your theory.  I therefore hold it to be a good theory.  smile

Do you want to name it?  How about "Agnishom's First Worthiness Theory"?

Bob


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#16 2014-05-14 13:17:28

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

bob bundy wrote:

I find I am able to find any inconsistency or logical flaw in your theory.

Your post does not make sense eek

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#17 2014-05-14 19:14:07

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

O yes.  Meant to be 'unable to find'.  Whoops.

Bob


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#18 2014-05-14 19:28:26

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Can we name it 'Fundamental Theorem of Worth'?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#19 2014-05-15 10:15:47

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Fundamental Theorem of Worth it is then.  Congratulations.  smile

Bob


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#20 2014-05-15 13:01:47

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Prove the theorem. I thought it was an axiom.

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#21 2014-05-20 00:29:13

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

ShivamS wrote:

Prove the theorem. I thought it was an axiom.

You are right.  smile  Let's amend it to: "Fundamental Theory of Worth."

Is that OK ?

Bob


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#22 2014-05-20 00:33:58

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

It has not been proven. It must be an axiom or a hypothesis.

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#23 2014-05-20 01:05:19

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

We have an axiom:

Agnishom wrote:

Axiom: All questions are worthy.

Bob


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#24 2014-05-20 01:06:08

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

A theory is usually supported by some empirical evidence.

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#25 2014-05-20 02:00:45

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Re: help me! Q=D={x|x is an integer such that x^2=2)

Not really. Number theory, for example.


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