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#1 2014-04-06 13:10:55

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Minima and geogebra

Find all values of p such that 2(x+4)(x-2p) has a minimum value of -18

This problem appears in another thread and is answered algebraically there. We will do it using geogebra.

1) Create a slider on the screen and call it p and range it from -20 to 20.

2) Enter in the input bar 2(x+4)(x-2p) and the f(x) = 2(x+4)(x-2 *1) will be created. Zoom the screen to see the parabola you have just made.

3) Enter in the input bar Min(f(x), -20, 20) and the point A will be created at the minima of the parabola.

4) Notice that the default values find the first p that is a minimum with a value of -18. Told you book problems are easy.

5) Move slider with the arrow keys and find the other value for p.


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#2 2014-04-06 22:32:36

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Re: Minima and geogebra

Well, that works very well! up

But I'm sorry, I don't know how it works. Could you explain it to me? I don't understand parabolas (although I think I came across them in high school), nor what f(x) is/does, or how it helped create the parabola.


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#3 2014-04-07 05:08:57

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Re: Minima and geogebra

Sorry for the delay but I am attending a meeting and will be tied up all day.

f(x) is fancy math notation for the statement y = f(x) which is read y is a function of x, meaning y depends on x.

Are you familiar with functions in programming? You can think of it here as x being the argument for the expression f(x) = 2(x+4)(x-2p).

I should not have used the term parabola. Here we are graphing a quadratic equation y = a x^2 + b * x + c. Just expand out 2(x+4)(x-2p) to see that.

f(x) = 2(x+4)(x-2p) is what geogebra used to make the curve you see on your screen.

For much more about parabolas go here:

http://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/parabola.html

How can I help further?


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#4 2014-04-07 05:31:52

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Re: Minima and geogebra

How do you know that p is within -20 to 20? What happens if there is a value of p but we carelessly slide past it?

Last edited by Agnishom (2014-04-07 05:32:07)


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#5 2014-04-07 05:33:16

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Re: Minima and geogebra

You can demonstrate that with geogebra sort of but it is easier using M.


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#6 2014-04-07 05:46:24

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Re: Minima and geogebra

With M? How?


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#7 2014-04-07 05:51:24

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Re: Minima and geogebra

Solving:

Notice they are both the same so we have:

Solving this for p we get:

Substituting in 1)

The proof that there is only 2 p's should be apparent to you.


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#8 2014-04-07 06:02:35

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Re: Minima and geogebra

What about my M code?


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#9 2014-04-07 06:11:34

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Re: Minima and geogebra

Hmmm, you can not translate to M?


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#10 2014-04-07 06:14:04

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Re: Minima and geogebra

My post does not make sense because you've edited the post above it. Do you remember my M code?


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#11 2014-04-07 06:19:55

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Re: Minima and geogebra

I am not following you, I have edited no post recently. I do not remember your code line by line.


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#12 2014-04-07 06:22:10

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Re: Minima and geogebra

You've edited post 7 ofcourse.


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#13 2014-04-07 06:25:27

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Re: Minima and geogebra

You've edited post 7 ofcourse.

I made some changes in the latex as I was doing it yes. I also deleted the line saying I was going to post the answer there. Why should I leave that?


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#14 2014-04-07 13:14:49

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Re: Minima and geogebra

I am not saying that you have done something wrong. I am just stating that post 8 does not make sense because post 7 was changed.


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#15 2014-04-07 13:32:13

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Re: Minima and geogebra

Post #7 answers post #6. I see what you are saying.


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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