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#26 2014-03-31 01:35:22

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Re: Geogebra Help

I entered that code. I do not see any picture.


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#27 2014-03-31 01:43:46

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Re: Geogebra Help

Just the code? Did you put in a point E?


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#28 2014-03-31 02:19:34

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Hi,

I drew up Agnishom's pic, entered your code and got the same for g as you did.

View Image: shape1.png

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#29 2014-03-31 02:24:45

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It is better if you enter IntegralBetween[sqrt(49 - x²), 7, x(E), 0] then he will shade the area.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#30 2014-03-31 02:34:46

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It only shaded the left half of the shape and output the area value just for that section.


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#31 2014-03-31 02:36:32

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Yes but you can see by symmetry that the answer is twice that. I left out the 2 in 2*IntegralBetween[sqrt(49 - x²), 7, x(E), 0] so you can see what geogebra is integrating.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#32 2014-03-31 02:44:35

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Yes, I saw the symmetry but wondered if there was a way to shade the whole shape and give the whole area, and so, not knowing what I was doing, I tried reordering components of the expression but always got the same left-half result.

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#33 2014-03-31 02:48:52

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To get both sides shaded you will have to abandon the sector idea and go to circles as she did.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#34 2014-03-31 02:57:58

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Is the maths for that fairly simple, or will it need 'integrals' and/or 'functions', neither of which I've ever learnt about? Or something else not taught in high school, perhaps?

I feel I'm getting out of my depth here.


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#35 2014-03-31 02:59:04

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Geogebra will do it all for you.

Want to try?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#36 2014-03-31 03:02:50

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Yes. I've already given it a go but wasn't getting anywhere with it (or maybe I was close, but my nose got in the way).

I think I need a hint.


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#37 2014-03-31 03:05:27

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Draw the square and use the Circle with radius tool.

Pick point A and click it and enter 7 then do the same with point B.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#38 2014-03-31 03:07:31

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I already tried that a while back, but no ideas leapt out at me.


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#39 2014-03-31 03:08:42

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It will in just a second. Now use the intersection tool and click on both circles. E and F will be created.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#40 2014-03-31 03:11:13

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Done...I hadn't created F before.


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#41 2014-03-31 03:13:15

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F will be on the bottom. If it is not then just rename the top intersection point E.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#42 2014-03-31 03:15:59

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The orientation is correct. Still no ideas emerging...


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#43 2014-03-31 03:18:02

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Okay enter this:

IntegralBetween[sqrt(49 - x²), 7, x(E), 0] and IntegralBetween[sqrt(49 - (x - 7)²), 7, 7, x(E)]

color them any way you like. What do you see?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#44 2014-03-31 03:21:57

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The shape's left and right shaded halves and their respective area values (same for each).


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#45 2014-03-31 03:24:20

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Does yours look like this?

View Image: 2014-03-31_082313.gif

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#46 2014-03-31 03:26:27

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Yes, exactly.


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#47 2014-03-31 03:29:51

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The nice thing is that the equations for the circles are calculated for you. Under conics. With those equations M can now get exact answers. That is what she did.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#48 2014-03-31 03:36:40

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Re: Geogebra Help

You'll have to enlighten me, I think. I've never learnt curve equations and don't understand what they do.

I should really turn in now, though, as it's waaay after midnight. To be continued...(thanks so far smile )

View Image: shape2.png

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#49 2014-03-31 03:45:54

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Okay, goodnight and we will continue tomorrow.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#50 2014-03-31 11:40:34

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Using trig to find that ∠DAE = 30°,


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