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#1 2012-12-31 23:28:57

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Clock Problem

Question 1: How to find the angle between the two hands of the clock at a given time?


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#2 2012-12-31 23:45:48

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Re: Clock Problem

Hi Agnishom

The angle is |h*30°-(m/2)*11°-(s/120)*11°|


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#3 2013-01-01 00:51:45

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Re: Clock Problem

Sorry, it had been too stupid question

A clock is set right at 7 am. The clock gains 10 minutes in 24 hrs. What will the approximate time when the clock indicates 1 pm on the following day?

Is it 12:47:30 pm?

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#4 2013-01-01 01:03:09

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Re: Clock Problem

That is correct.


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#5 2013-01-01 01:13:54

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Now, how do I show that the hands of the clock come in right angles 22 times?


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#6 2013-01-01 01:17:33

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They do not. They are at right angles much more times. 46 times, I would say...


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#7 2013-01-01 01:26:57

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Then 22 is the number of what?


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#8 2013-01-01 01:31:52

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Re: Clock Problem

Maybe that is for 90 measured clockwise (the rest 270)  ?

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#9 2013-01-01 01:36:38

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Re: Clock Problem

Changed my mind.  I think it is 22.

00.15 
0045
01.15 and a bit
01.45 and a bit
.......

2 per hour

but as the hour hand advances you loose the last hour

so 11 hours at 2 per hour.

Stefy:  Is your clock a 24 hour one?  ie 23 x 2 = 46

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#10 2013-01-01 03:13:53

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Actually, it is neither. We need to be given a time period on which we count the right angles...


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#11 2013-01-01 04:32:36

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Re: Clock Problem

I think the problem is for a 12-hour period. The simplest way is to count how many times the hands are at right angles in every hourly.

00:00 to 01:00 – 2
01:00 to 02:00 – 2
02:00 to 03:00 – 2 (including 3 o'clock)
03:00 to 04:00 – 1
04:00 to 05:00 – 2
05:00 to 06:00 – 2
06:00 to 07:00 – 2
07:00 to 08:00 – 2
08:00 to 09:00 – 2 (including 9 o'clock)
09:00 to 10:00 – 1
10:00 to 11:00 – 2
11:00 to 12:00 – 2

The hands are at right angles twice every hourly except for the hours 03:00–04:00 and 09:00–10:00. So it's 22 times every twelve hours.

#12 2013-01-01 05:34:26

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Oh, here's the math.


The angular velocity of the minute hand is 6° per minute and that of the hour hand 0.5° per minute. The difference in their angular velocities is therefore 5.5° per minute. Starting at twelve o'clock, the time taken for the hands to be first at right angles with each other is 90/5.5 minutes. Thereafter the minute hand has to turn through 180° to be next at right angles with the hour hand; the time taken for this is 180/5.5 minutes. If
is the time in minutes at which the hands are perpendicular for the
th time after twelve o'clock, we have the formula:



There are 720 minutes in half a day. The largest integer
for which
is
.

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#13 2013-01-01 05:53:27

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Re: Clock Problem

And these are the times at which the hands are perpendicular (using 12-hour notation):






















#14 2013-01-01 16:36:47

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Got it! Happy New Year!


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