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#1 2012-04-20 19:20:35

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Area of Polygon by Drawing

A new app tentatively titled: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Does the title make sense? It can also double as a "solving" tool if you know enough lengths/angles.

Converting back/forth between the mouse coords (in pixels) vs graph coords (which the user can vary) kept on going wrong, but I think it is good now.

Have a play, let me know how it goes.


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#2 2012-04-20 20:29:53

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

hi MathsIsFun,

Another great page.  Well done!

Haven't found any bugs yet.  smile

Question:  When adding a new point, what is your criteron for where it is placed?

And:  Do I have to move my points with the mouse or is there a way to move with arrow keys or even specify a pair of coordinates exactly.

I see, for example, that your default shape is a regular pentagon.  Supposing I wanted a regular hexagon?

Bob


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#3 2012-04-20 21:12:49

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Hi MIF;

A very good idea! I kind of like it.

I would like to have more digits.


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#4 2012-04-20 22:16:19

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

New point: half way between first 2 points.

Good suggestions. I can't figure how to implement at the moment, but will note them down.

bobbym wrote:

I would like to have more digits.

On your feet, or hands?


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#5 2012-04-20 23:57:03

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Hi MIF;

On your feet, or hands?

Hmmmm, those are fine. What would be nice is a few more digits for the area and points.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#6 2012-04-21 02:39:05

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I like it,but it cannot be moved left,right,up and down.

I am amazed to how many digits I was able to zoom in. up

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-04-21 02:39:17)


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#7 2012-04-21 10:17:21

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anonimnystefy wrote:

I like it,but it cannot be moved left,right,up and down.

Click on left of drawing surface to "recenter" half way to right.


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#8 2012-04-21 10:24:34

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I'll try that tomorrow.


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#9 2012-04-22 13:18:48

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Added an "edit" button so you can manually change all coords. (Use refresh for latest version)

Try putting in (4,6), (2,6), (2,4), (4,4), (4,2), (6,2), (6,4), (8,4), (8,6), (6,6), (6,8), (4,8) for a positive experience.


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#10 2012-04-22 13:29:43

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Hi MIF;

That is a neat feature.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#11 2012-04-22 14:22:31

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

I am not sure what that is,but I think it is a:


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#12 2012-04-22 16:11:44

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Yes, anonimnystefy, A+


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#13 2012-04-22 17:04:22

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A winner is me -.-" lol


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#14 2012-05-13 19:58:45

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

New version 0.75 smile

Linky (same as above)  Area of Polygon by Drawing

Has a "Regular" button (to make it regular, of course). A bob bundy request.

Also includes a description of the polygon: regular, concave, complex. Let me know if it gets it wrong!

Also try to make a regular polygon without using the regular button faint


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#15 2012-05-13 21:08:37

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Hi MIF;

Seems to be working nicely.

I use a formula involving determinants for the computation of areas. What do you use?


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#16 2012-05-13 22:56:44

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Hi bobbym

Is that the shoelace formula you are using?


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#17 2012-05-13 22:59:00

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Sorry, I can not even remember what day it is and you want me to remember what these formulas are called?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
Combinatorics is Algebra and Algebra is Combinatorics.

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#18 2012-05-13 23:04:34

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Did you try searching "shoelace formula" to see if that is the one?

Btw,today is 14/5/2012,Europian date format.


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#19 2012-05-13 23:12:35

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Heck no! That is most convoluted idea I have ever seen. I just plug them into a big matrix and let M get the determinant.


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#20 2012-05-13 23:14:27

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Plug what into a big matrix?


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#21 2012-05-13 23:15:28

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

The coordinates.


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#22 2012-05-13 23:16:16

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

What kind of matrix? What are the dimensions?


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#23 2012-05-13 23:17:59

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

bobbym wrote:

I use a formula involving determinants for the computation of areas. What do you use?

Same, really. Sum up (pt0.x * pt1.y - pt0.y * pt1.x) for successive pairs of points (including last to first). Need to divide by 2 at end.

Couldn't work out how to get area for complex shapes, though, so just say "complex".


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#24 2012-05-13 23:20:56

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Sorry, I seemed to have dropped the determinant way in favor of some algorithm. This is the one I have in my notes right now. I was wondering what MIF is using


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Of course that result can be rigorously obtained, but who cares?
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#25 2012-05-13 23:21:34

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Re: Area of Polygon by Drawing

Does the same method work for complex polys?


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