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**Roraborealis****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-17
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My maths tutor told me this, and I'm very curious about it. Every time I try to follow it, I get confused. It apparently proves that 1=0.

x=1.

Multiply both sides by x and you get

2x=x

Take away 1 from each side which becomes

2x-1=x-1

This can also be expressed as

(x+1)+(x-1)=x-1

Divide each side by x-1 and the answer is:

x+1=1

From this, you can see that x=0. But at the beginning I said that x=1. It has therefore been proved that 1=0.

Is this a trick?

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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I know there IS something like this, but right at the start your tutor's proof says "2x=x" which can't be true (unless x=0 when lots of silly things become true).

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**Roraborealis****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-17
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Aha. I knew it was a trick when I couldn't understand it!

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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But there is this one:

Start with: a = b

Then add (-b+b) to the left hand side (this is OK because you are adding 0: a - b + b = b

Now divide both sides by (a-b) and we have:

a - b + b = b

________ _____

(a-b) (a-b)

Reducing the left side:

1 + b = b

____ _____

(a-b) (a-b)

Then subtract b/(a-b) from both sides and you have:

1=0

(Mwuuhahhah - maniacal laughter!)

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**Roraborealis****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-17
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Hahahahahaha! It's humorous to see that algebra can prove weird things!

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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But before we all think that Algebra is odd, there IS a mistake in the proof.

When I first saw it I was confooosed, and someone had to point out to me that because we said that a=b, then (a-b) must equal zero. When you start multiplying or dividing by zero, all hell breaks loose, and you start to get weird looking proofs.

So watch out for those in your proofs!

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**Roraborealis****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-17
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Oh.........never mind. At least it was funny.

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**insomnia****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-03-23
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That was weird. Any more like that?

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**austin81****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-21
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It's not a trick! There's wrong division in the course of dividing both sides of the equation (x+1)+(x-1)=x-1 by x-1.

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**Roraborealis****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-17
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I do have another......

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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Go on then.

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**konduriravali****Member**- Registered: 2005-04-09
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Hi,

How are you doing?

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Send me mail ,go to HELPME and then you go to

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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I am doing good.

I come back stronger than a powered-up Pac-Man

I bought a large popcorn @ the cinema the other day, it was pretty big...some might even say it was "large

Fatboy Slim is a Legend

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**Roraborealis****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-17
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I think most of us here are in the UK (well, I think, anyway).

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**stewie****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-28
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I'm actually living in Antarctica.

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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That's because you have a thing for penguins.

I come back stronger than a powered-up Pac-Man

I bought a large popcorn @ the cinema the other day, it was pretty big...some might even say it was "large

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**stewie****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-28
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Actually my favourite animals are ducks. *quacks*

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**stewie****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-28
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I don't care. I know what I like and that's white white white.

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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It's good for ye, top models eat it.

I bought a large popcorn @ the cinema the other day, it was pretty big...some might even say it was "large

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**stewie****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-28
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Give us grease that makes us obese....oh how we love to eat junk!

Fatboy Slim is the band of the 90s, thats if you want to call it a band because its really a one man name

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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Too far Tony, too far.

I bought a large popcorn @ the cinema the other day, it was pretty big...some might even say it was "large

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**stewie****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-28
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Whatever Trevor

Fatboy Slim is the band of the 90s, thats if you want to call it a band because its really a one man name

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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Yet again, my phrase, you stole it, check earlier topics again.

I bought a large popcorn @ the cinema the other day, it was pretty big...some might even say it was "large

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**stewie****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-28
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Actually no, you heard me saying it and put it in here before me!

Fatboy Slim is the band of the 90s, thats if you want to call it a band because its really a one man name

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**Mr T****Member**- Registered: 2005-03-30
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You came up with drinkin bleach, I'll give you that but I did not steal whatever Trevor off you foo'

I bought a large popcorn @ the cinema the other day, it was pretty big...some might even say it was "large

Fatboy Slim is a Legend

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