
2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
OK! The Way I would like to put forward is...to find The Negative,The Root,and The Positive.
Below is an Example Using 100
100 Negative = 99.9
100 Root = 100 ( THE ROOT IS THE START! THE ORIGIN! ) (The Root) is Not The Square Root) And Just In case Anyone Thinks It's Teeth? Etc.
100 Positive = 100.1
A Better way of Looking at the above is 100N(99.9) 100R(100) 100P(100.1)

So Now all we have to find is...
InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Negative = ?
InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Root = ?
InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Positive = ?
A Better way of Looking at the above is IR0.9N( ? ) IR0.9R( ? ) IR0.9P( ? )
GiB.
Last edited by GeniusIsBack (20110127 00:28:54)
 All_Is_Number
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
0.9999999… = 1 (exactly, not approximately). This is easily provable.
Thus, 0.9999999… = 1, √(0.9999999…) = √(1) = 1, and +0.9999999… = +1 = 1.
I don't understand why it would be necessary to have a new way of looking at it.
You can shear a sheep many times but skin him only once.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Before any Confusion!? ( The Root ) is Not The Square Root...
GiB.
 All_Is_Number
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
GeniusIsBack wrote:Before any Confusion!? ( The Root ) is Not The Square Root...
GiB.
Any confusion is due solely to the unnecessary new terminology, not due to the fact that 0.999999… is exactly equal to 1.
Please define the terminology you are using.
You can shear a sheep many times but skin him only once.
 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Yes, there is no need for unproven and arbitrary functions designed to merely support your assertions.
By the way it did not support your assertions.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Quote: ALL_Is_Number (Strange Name!) "Any confusion is due solely to the unnecessary new terminology, not due to the fact that 0.999999… is exactly equal to 1. Please define the terminology you are using. "
GiB. The Terminology is Quite simple!...

Root
To turn up or to dig out with the snout; as, the swine roots the earth. Root Root, n. [Icel. r[=o]t (for vr[=o]t); akin to E. wort, and perhaps to root to turn up the earth. See Wort.] 1. (Bot.) (a) The underground portion of a plant, whether a true root or a tuber, a bulb or rootstock, as in the potato, the onion, or the sweet flag. (b) The descending, and commonly branching, axis of a plant, increasing in length by growth at its extremity only, not divided into joints, leafless and without buds, and having for its offices to fix the plant in the earth, to supply it with moisture and soluble matters, and sometimes to serve as a reservoir of nutriment for future growth. A true root, however, may never reach the ground, but may be attached to a wall, etc., as in the ivy, or may hang loosely in the air, as in some epiphytic orchids. 2. An edible or esculent root, especially of such plants as produce a single root, as the beet, carrot, etc.; as, the root crop.
3. That which resembles a root in position or function, esp. as a source of nourishment or support; that from which anything proceeds as if by growth or development; as, the root of a tooth, a nail, a cancer, and the like. Specifically: (a) An ancestor or progenitor; and hence, an early race; a stem.
They were the roots out of which sprang two distinct people. Locke. (b) A primitive form of speech; one of the earliest terms employed in language; a word from which other words are formed; a radix, or radical. (c) The cause or occasion by which anything is brought about; the source. "She herself . . . is root of bounty." Chaucer.
The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. 1 Tim. vi. 10 (rev. Ver.) (d) (Math.) That factor of a quantity which when multiplied into itself will produce that quantity; thus, 3 is a root of 9, because 3 multiplied into itself produces 9; 3 is the cube root of 27. (e) (Mus.) The fundamental tone of any chord; the tone from whose harmonics, or overtones, a chord is composed. Busby. (f) The lowest place, position, or part. "Deep to the roots of hell." Milton. "The roots of the mountains." Southey. 4. (Astrol.) The time which to reckon in making calculations. When a root is of a birth yknowe [known]. Chaucer.
Aerial roots. (a) Small roots emitted from the stem of a plant in the open air, which, attaching themselves to the bark of trees, etc., serve to support the plant. (b) Large roots growing from the stem, etc., which descend and establish themselves in the soil. See Illust. of Mangrove.
Multiple primary root a name given to the numerous roots emitted from the radicle in many plants, as the squash.
Primary root the central, firstformed, main root, from which the rootlets are given off.
Root and branch, part; wholly; completely; as, to destroy an error root and branch.
Rootandbranch men, reformers;  a designation applied to the English Independents (1641). See Citation under Radical, n., 2.
Root barnacle one of the Rhizocephala.
Root hair one of the slender, hairlike fibers found on the surface of fresh roots. They are prolongations of the superficial cells of the root into minute tubes. Gray.
Root leaf a radical leaf. See Radical, a., 3 (b) .
Root louse any plant louse, or aphid, which lives on the roots of plants, as the Phylloxera of the grapevine. See Phylloxera.
Root of an equation that value which, substituted for the unknown quantity in an equation, satisfies the equation.
Root of a nail (Anat.), the part of a nail which is covered by the skin.
Root of a tooth the part of a tooth contained in the socket and consisting of one or more fangs.
Secondary roots roots emitted from any part of the plant above the radicle.
To strike root, take root}, to send forth roots; to become fixed in the earth, etc., by a root; hence, in general, to become planted, fixed, or established; to increase and spread; as, an opinion takes root. "The bended twigs take root." Milton.
Root Root, v. i. [AS. wr[=o]tan; akin to wr[=o]t a snout, trunk, D. wroeten to root, G. r["u]ssel snout, trunk, proboscis, Icel. r[=o]ta to root, and perhaps to L. rodere to gnaw (E. rodent) or to E. root, n.] 1. To turn up the earth with the snout, as swine.
2. Hence, to seek for favor or advancement by low arts or groveling servility; to fawn servilely.
Root Root (r[=oo]t), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Rooted; p. pr. & vb. n. Rooting.] 1. To fix the root; to enter the earth, as roots; to take root and begin to grow.
In deep grounds the weeds root deeper. Mortimer.
2. To be firmly fixed; to be established.
If any irregularity chanced to intervene and to cause misappehensions, he gave them not leave to root and fasten by concealment. Bp. Fell. Root Root, v. i. [Cf. Rout to roar.] To shout for, or otherwise noisly applaud or encourage, a contestant, as in sports; hence, to wish earnestly for the success of some one or the happening of some event, with the superstitious notion that this action may have efficacy;  usually with for; as, the crowd rooted for the home team. [Slang or Cant, U. S.] Root Root, v. t. 1. To plant and fix deeply in the earth, or as in the earth; to implant firmly; hence, to make deep or radical; to establish;  used chiefly in the participle; as, rooted trees or forests; rooted dislike.
2. To tear up by the root; to eradicate; to extirpate;  with up, out, or away. "I will go root away the noisome weeds." Shak.
The Lord rooted them out of their land . . . and cast them into another land. Deut. xxix. 28.  GiB.
Now that is Clear to you!? But we are of course talking about a Math Root Maybe you Mean The square root, the cube root, or more generally the nth root of a number. ... A root system of vectors, whose elements are called roots. ...
This is where Good old Common Sense comes in! ( THE ROOT IS THE START! THE ORIGIN! ) as in the Example 100.
 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
What the bejeebers are you talking about?
Where did you get the one about the fangs? From the werewolf almanac? And the root louse, fascinating! I cannot stop itching since you mentioned that creature.
The Rhizocephala and the busby, I should have known.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Hi ARB,
Let x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
9x = 9
x = 1
But wait! We let x = 0.999...
Therefore 0.999... = 1.
What is the problem with this proof? Which line contains the error?
Also weren't you banned before? (for trolling or insulting or something, i read the old thread)
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
http://mathisfunforum.com/profile.php?id=90430 http://mathisfunforum.com/profile.php?id=38924 http://mathisfunforum.com/profile.php?id=37599 http://mathisfunforum.com/profile.php?id=5702 http://mathisfunforum.com/profile.php?id=38724
aren't these all you?
 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Hi dolgopolov;
Welcome to the forum. How do you know that?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
hi bobbym, I visit this forum sometimes just to look at whats being talked about! and it looks like it is the same guy because he always talks about silly things (like 0.999 not being 1, proving FLT, etc)
 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Okay. I understand perfectly. Please do not let it upset you, try to enjoy the forum anyway.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
thanks!
also if you google some of his usernames you can see he post the same thing on lots of other math forum
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
So Now all we have to find is...
InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Negative = ?
InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Root = ?
InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Positive = ?
A Better way of Looking at the above is IR0.9N( ? ) IR0.9R( ? ) IR0.9P( ? )
It Helps!...if Everyone stays Focused on the Problem! Now ( ROOT ) is Fully Understood.
GiB.
 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Maybe this can help. Without creating new functions. If you do think that .9999999999999... ≠ 1.
Then what do you think it equals?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
hi, can you explain what you mean?
we have proven that 0.999... = 1
you also want us to prove 0.999... = 1?
let x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
9x = 9
x = 1
so now 0.999... = 1
what do you mean by root? square root?
well i have just proven that 0.999... = 1 so if both are the same then square root of both should surely be the same?
also what is "IR0.9N( ? ) IR0.9R( ? ) IR0.9P( ? )"
 All_Is_Number
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
GeniusIsBack wrote:Quote: ALL_Is_Number (Strange Name!) "Any confusion is due solely to the unnecessary new terminology, not due to the fact that 0.999999… is exactly equal to 1. Please define the terminology you are using. "
GiB. The Terminology is Quite simple!...
…
(d) (Math.) That factor of a quantity which when multiplied into itself will produce that quantity; thus, 3 is a root of 9, because 3 multiplied into itself produces 9; 3 is the cube root of 27. …
Root of an equation that value which, substituted for the unknown quantity in an equation, satisfies the equation.
I've culled the only two mathematics related definitions of root from your post. You've explicitly stated it is not the first, and the second doesn't fit in the context you've presented. S, again, please post a mathematical definition for root as you are attempting to use it.
You can shear a sheep many times but skin him only once.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Just For ALL_Is_Number
100 Root = 100 ( THE ROOT IS THE START! THE ORIGIN! ) (The Root) is Not The Square Root) And Just In case Anyone Thinks It's Teeth? Etc.
GiB.
 All_Is_Number
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
GeniusIsBack wrote:Just For ALL_Is_Number
100 Root = 100 ( THE ROOT IS THE START! THE ORIGIN! ) (The Root) is Not The Square Root) And Just In case Anyone Thinks It's Teeth? Etc.
GiB.
That isn't a definition.
You can shear a sheep many times but skin him only once.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
100 Root = 100?
by root you mean...the origin? ok, what does this have to do with the original problem?
you are telling us something about 0.999... and something about understanding the root but you are being very vague still
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
This is Incredible!!
( THE ROOT IS WHAT YOU THINK! InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Is )
The Same as ( THE ROOT For 100 is 100 )
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 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
Hi guys;
It is not going to pay to press him any further on "what he has got." As you both know there is nothing to have here. In the interest of presenting good math I am forced to say that argument is fruitless. There are many proofs that prove him wrong. If he will not look then he cannot see.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 All_Is_Number
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
GeniusIsBack wrote:This is Incredible!!
( THE ROOT IS WHAT YOU THINK! InfiniteRecurring 0.9 Is )
The Same as ( THE ROOT For 100 is 100 )
GiB.
How is it incredible? Do you find it strange that, upon introducing new mathematical terminology to mathematicians, that those mathematicians expect that terminology to be rigorously defined before using it?
Last edited by All_Is_Number (20110127 01:53:58)
You can shear a sheep many times but skin him only once.
Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
well, i am interested in seeing if he can provide a good argument, at least....
 bobbym
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Re: 2011 New Year  New Way of Looking at InfiniteRecurring 0.9
I am afraid it is going to be hard for him to come up with a good argument to defend his point. One just does not exist.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
