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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Thanks! That's a good problem and a good file.

But I could not find those two formulas in oeis, can I submit it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Is this your first submission there?

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes, is it possible to submit?

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, they have submission forms to enter information.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, I'll check that.

Did you try the second formula?

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"Data! Data! Data!" he cried impatiently. "I can't make bricks without clay."

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, I think it is about time that you publish over there. Do not enter the second formula as it was already found by Dennis Walsh.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, thanks for checking, I missed that!

I'll request an account there.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, if you can not get through with your submission then email Neil Sloane. He is a good man and he is honest!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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All right, thanks for telling!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It will be accepted if it is new. I am going to get some sleep, see you later and thanks for working on the problem.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, see you later.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**New problem:**

**A 20 sided die is thrown 36 times. What is the probability that on the last time the 5th occurrence of the side marked11 occurs?**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Thanks!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Sorry for the wait but the method I was looking at in the book was not even close.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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It's okay, what was the method in the book?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

He used a series.

Gibberish! First of all he is solving the wrong problem and then he does not even get the right answer to that. Book has been correct up to here as far as I have checked so at first I did not believe he was wrong.

But his answer does not fit for your answer or a computer simulation.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Okay, I thought it was complicated before trying, but it's only simple permutations with repetitions.

Now I'm trying the other problem on expectation. I know a bloated, direct way of doing it, but trying for a recurrence. And I think you have posed a similar problem a few months ago, but unable to recall it.

I'll take a break, see you later.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

I might of and do not remember. See you later.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**New Exercise and harder:**

**How many ways can the letters t,t,m,m,m,m,c,c,s,s be permuted with no adjacent letters the same?**

**A says) Impossible to compute.**

**B says) Their is a way that does not require a recurrence.**

**C says) Baffling!**

**D says) It sure is.**

**E says) I saw the solution but cannot remember it.**

**Can you find a method that does not use a recurrence or the standard casework way?**

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi anonimnystefy;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

i just want to see if my probability is right,so that i do not post for nothing.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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