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#1 2009-09-14 09:58:19

bobbym
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Integral and inequality

Hi;

Evaluate this integral:

Prove the inequality:


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#2 2009-09-14 10:12:44

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Re: Integral and inequality

Are we allowed to express the LHS of the inequality as a Taylor series? If so, the problem becomes trivial.


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#3 2009-09-14 10:28:28

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi mathsyperson;

Thats how I would do it. But in this Putnam problem book he doesn't use that method. Why, I can't say.

Last edited by bobbym (2009-09-14 11:42:02)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#4 2009-09-14 12:43:51

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Re: Integral and inequality

Ever seen this theorem?


Let
be convex and differentiable. Then

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So you just put

and
.

(What I’m saying is that no point on a convex and differentiable curve lies below the corresponding point on a straight line that is tangent to any part of the curve.)

PS: I just looked up Wikipedia. This theorem is stated there without proof.

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#5 2009-09-14 13:07:40

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Re: Integral and inequality

mathsyperson wrote:

Are we allowed to express the LHS of the inequality as a Taylor series? If so, the problem becomes trivial.

bobbym wrote:

Thats how I would do it.

The inequality holds for

as well, in which case the method will not be trivial for
.

And note that there is an apostrophe in That’s.


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#6 2009-09-14 16:21:12

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hello Jane;

Jane wrote:

The inequality holds for

as well, in which case the method will not be trivial for
.

But the problem states x > 0 and mathsy is right using the expansion of e^x makes it trivial.

Jane wrote:

And note that there is an apostrophe in That’s.

That is true Jane, poor typing and high speeds, a lethal combination. Thanks for the correction.

Jane wrote:

Ever seen this theorem?

Yes Jane, I have heard of that theorem but I forgot it.

Last edited by bobbym (2009-09-14 18:23:55)


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#7 2009-09-15 07:36:20

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi;

The inequality was the easy one. Now how about the integral it is even easier. If you start substituting you will go mad.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#8 2009-09-25 00:11:45

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi;

Another integral this one is also easy:


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#9 2009-09-25 01:06:15

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Re: Integral and inequality


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#10 2009-09-25 11:13:48

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi Jane;


Last edited by bobbym (2009-09-25 11:14:14)


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#11 2010-09-28 07:36:42

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Re: Integral and inequality

bobbym wrote:

Hi;

Another integral this one is also easy:

(e^2x)/2 - (e^-2x)/2

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#12 2010-09-28 07:41:17

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Re: Integral and inequality

bobbym wrote:

Hi;

Evaluate this integral:

Prove the inequality:

1/2[x - log(sinx + cosx)]

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#13 2010-09-28 08:24:31

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi 123ronnie321;

Yes that is almost correct!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#14 2011-03-29 23:05:19

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi bobbym,

Evaluate this integral:




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#15 2011-03-29 23:49:54

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Re: Integral and inequality

Hi gAr;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#16 2011-03-30 00:07:52

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Re: Integral and inequality

Thank you!


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#17 2011-03-30 00:13:01

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Re: Integral and inequality

HI gAr;

You are welcome.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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