Discussion about math, puzzles, games and fun.   Useful symbols: ÷ × ½ √ ∞ ≠ ≤ ≥ ≈ ⇒ ± ∈ Δ θ ∴ ∑ ∫  π  -¹ ² ³ °

You are not logged in.

#1 2009-06-17 04:35:28

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Code Breaking Challenge!

Can Anyone Break The Code Below? And If They Can Explain How They Solved It.

M MM M MMMM MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM

This is an ingenious way of writing secure messages...

Offline

#2 2009-06-17 22:36:06

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Below is the First Clue on how to Break the Code Message at the start of this Thread!...

The same message could be sent as...

MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM M MM M MMMM

Offline

#3 2009-06-18 22:07:39

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Below is the Second Clue on how to Break the Code Message at the start of this Thread!...

The same message could be sent as...

MMM MMM MMM MMM MMM MMM MMMMM

Offline

#4 2009-06-19 08:26:40

integer
Member
Registered: 2008-02-21
Posts: 79

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

M MM M MMMM MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM
MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM M MM M MMMM
MMM MMM MMM MMM MMM MMM MMMMM

You can express the same message three different ways using only the character M and spaces between the groups of M.

mmm mmm, Good.

Offline

#5 2009-06-20 01:04:13

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

For integer etc.

Below is the Third Clue on how to Break the Code Message at the start of this Thread!...

The same message could be sent as...

A BB C DDDD EEEEE FFFF GGGGGG

Offline

#6 2009-06-20 23:49:56

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Below is the Fourth Clue on how to Break the Code Message at the start of this Thread!...

Keys Unlock Doors Etc...

Offline

#7 2009-06-21 04:01:23

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Below is the very important Fifth Clue on how to Break the Code Message!...

The actual letters used in the Code Message at the start of this Thread! But of course in the wrong Order! Can anyone now make the Message...and if they can! the next big Challenge is how was it done?

O H G W L K I A I U M A W N M A L N E T E N S

Total 23 Letters!

Offline

#8 2009-06-21 04:44:55

bobbym
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 104,225

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Not shouting just solving the code. In fact I'm whispering.

O H G W L K I A I U M A W N M A L N E T E N S = { I AM A WELL KNOWN MATH GENIUS }

A little predictable, don't you think, IMHO of course.

Last edited by bobbym (2009-06-21 05:08:47)

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

Online

#9 2009-06-21 06:02:01

mathsyperson
Moderator
Registered: 2005-06-22
Posts: 4,900

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

While it's certainly true that the code is secure, it's also fairly useless.

The point of encrypting messages is so that the sender and recipient will be able to read them but no one else will. There is no way for anyone to get the original message from your code, even if you wanted them to.

Why did the vector cross the road?
It wanted to be normal.

Offline

#10 2009-06-21 06:20:01

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

First to bobbym

Well done! Someone had to get it by now first! But in the real world you would never get that much HELP!...

Quote:
mathsyperson

While it's certainly true that the code is secure, it's also fairly useless.

The point of encrypting messages is so that the sender and recipient will be able to read them but no one else will. There is no way for anyone to get the original message from your code, even if you wanted them to.

RickyIsAnIdiot

You are Completely Wrong!!

The sender would send the Message as any of the examples I gave...and the recipient would then be able to decode the Message by using as I said an ingenious way of writing secure messages...is of course so the recipient can then read them!

The next big Challenge is how was it done?

Offline

#11 2009-06-21 06:24:45

bobbym
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 104,225

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

I have to agree with mathsyperson. Also I knew the first 3 words and the last 2 from post #1 even before the first clue.

Last edited by bobbym (2009-06-21 06:26:57)

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

Online

#12 2009-06-21 06:29:36

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Just to let Everyone Know! the code-breaking Company below are trying to Break MY-CODE!...

www.copacobana.org

Offline

#13 2009-06-21 06:31:39

bobbym
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 104,225

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

There are lots of ways to crack codes.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

Online

#14 2009-06-21 18:45:16

Tigeree
Member
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 13,883

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

I really don't like this thread. For many reasons.

People don't notice whether it's winter or summer when they're happy.
~ Anton Chekhov
Cheer up, emo kid.

Offline

#15 2009-06-22 01:26:45

RickyIsAnIdiot
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-15
Posts: 18

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Below are some helpful facts for trying to Solve my Ingenious Code System.. which will now be known as ( I.C.S )

(1) Any letter can represent one of the Code letters! So there are 26 possibilities for each letter,a simple four letter word would have 26 x 26 x 26 x 26 = 456976 possible ways to code the word! But there are some other extra calculations to make it more difficult to break the code!

(2) Space/Space's between the letters are very important!

With my first example below it would be Very! Very! Unlikely to get a string of M's to represent a Code Message as long as the example..but it could happen!? let's say it's Calculable!
My first example would nearly be the most Difficult Code Message ( I.C.S ) could make! Other than being longer of course,but my first example is easier because I have laid out the Message with the same Space's as the Message Uncoded,as can be seen below..

M MM M MMMM MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM

I AM A WELL KNOWN  MATH GENIUS

A more Difficult way to lay out the same Message would be as my Second or Third examples below,where the Space's don't give such a Clue as to what the Code Message might be.

MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM M MM M MMMM
MMM MMM MMM MMM MMM MMM MMMMM

But as I have stated the same Code Message could be as the fourth example below...or with any of the 26 x  possible ways for each letter!

A BB C DDDD EEEEE FFFF GGGGGG

Below is another Code Message using ( I.C.S ) this time the Message layout is more realistic as to how it would be Calculated,as a sent Code Message!
The only clues are that the Code Message contains two full stops as dot's and four numbers,which count as  letters/Text.

DEIJJ LNOOO PLWXX MQIPO LSKKWAPPAZ QQQBG

Total 35 letters/Text plus 5 Spaces!

Offline

#16 2009-06-22 05:57:19

Ricky
Moderator
Registered: 2005-12-04
Posts: 3,791

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

ARB has learned how to use a proxy.  We'll probably be seeing a lot more of him.

"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

Offline

#17 2009-06-22 08:53:58

bobbym
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 104,225

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

I have seen enough of him and his aliases.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

Online

#18 2009-06-22 20:17:37

Tigeree
Member
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 13,883

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Good, He's banned at last! I didn't like him from the first moment I laid eyes on this thread.
The most obvious reason is Ricky is obviously not an idiot. Obviously. And this is so not cool, it's just pointless and makes no sense.

Last edited by Tigeree (2009-06-22 20:21:17)

People don't notice whether it's winter or summer when they're happy.
~ Anton Chekhov
Cheer up, emo kid.

Offline

#19 2009-06-23 00:39:25

ProvedAPointRIAI
Banned
Registered: 2009-06-23
Posts: 2

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Below is of course the last ( I.C.S) Code Message!...

ANTHONY.R.BROWN WAS HERE AGAIN YEAR 2009

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote:  Ingenious Ways Conceive Genius!  A.R.B 2009.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Offline

#20 2009-06-23 01:06:06

bobbym
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 104,225

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

The fact that you know that and RIAI is the front letters to that obnoxious username he was using, means he is back already.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

Online

#21 2009-06-23 18:40:23

Tigeree
Member
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 13,883

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Exactly. & thats what I was going to say. And appearing that ProvedAPoint did not prove a point at all. We can only stop the username. We can not stop the user, unless the user runs out of names, which is only possible if he is that small minded.

People don't notice whether it's winter or summer when they're happy.
~ Anton Chekhov
Cheer up, emo kid.

Offline

#22 2009-06-24 01:52:06

Ricky
Moderator
Registered: 2005-12-04
Posts: 3,791

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

We can not stop the user, unless the user runs out of names, which is only possible if he is that small minded.

Actually no, it's not possible.  If he were to get banned 10 times a day with different user names, he could keep that going for over 40 billion years.  And that's only considering user names of length exactly 10 letters long.

"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

Offline

#23 2009-06-24 21:20:27

Tigeree
Member
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 13,883

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

40 billion years? The whole earth will probably be extinct and recreated by then.

People don't notice whether it's winter or summer when they're happy.
~ Anton Chekhov
Cheer up, emo kid.

Offline

#24 2009-06-25 04:51:41

bobbym
From: Bumpkinland
Registered: 2009-04-12
Posts: 104,225

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

Lets see he can be banned 40 000 000 000 * 10 * 24 * 365 = 3 504 000 000 000 000 times. Makes me envy MathsisFun.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
A number by itself is useful, but it is far more useful to know how accurate or certain that number is.

Online

#25 2009-06-25 19:21:41

Tigeree
Member
Registered: 2005-11-19
Posts: 13,883

Re: Code Breaking Challenge!

I wonder if the site will still be running in 40 billion years??...

People don't notice whether it's winter or summer when they're happy.
~ Anton Chekhov
Cheer up, emo kid.

Offline