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#201 Re: Introductions » New Grade 12 Math Student Here » 2024-09-22 05:37:36

Bob

Just a small precaution against internet nasties.  A while back an attempt was made by someone to groom a  young member.

She had reveiled too much about herself on social media and the guy knew her age, school, and that her father was away abroad.  He tried to be-friend her here and suggested she engage in private facebook chat.  We were able to warn her and delete the guy's membership.

Bob

#202 Re: Help Me ! » Expression As A Single Quotient » 2024-09-22 05:32:08

Bob

Years ago members made this thread: http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=4397

If you're viewing MIF on a phone you may find it tricky, although I have managed it when I was away from my laptop.

Bob

#204 Re: Help Me ! » Identifying a Prime Polynomial » 2024-09-21 09:38:09

Bob

Oh,  tricky. There's a graph plotter here: https://www.mathsisfun.com/data/function-grapher.php

But is that acceptable  as a proof of primeness? Not sure.

All quadratics have a single minimum or maximum point (ie. the bottom of the U shape if the x^2 term is positive)

So I think an acceptable non calculus method would be (1) use a graph plotter to find the minimum point then (2) show it is a minimum by evaluating the quadratic just left and just right of that point, because bigger values there show you really have identified the minimum. 

I don't know how else you could do this, sorry.

edit: I'm being stupid. shame     Of course there's a way. Evaluate b^2 - 4ac. If it's negative there's no real square root so no factors.

Bob

#205 Re: Help Me ! » Simplify Each Expression » 2024-09-21 09:24:00

Bob

16 is a power of 2 so it's worth re-writing this with powers of 2

You can extract 2x out of that first expression leaving (2x)^1/3 which becomes a common factor in both terms.

I started the second and got to wondering if that last term should be (8x^3y^3)^(1/3).

It simplfies nicely if that power is 1/3 rather than 1/2.

Bob

#206 Re: Help Me ! » Identifying a Prime Polynomial » 2024-09-21 09:12:30

Bob

If you are able to graph the expression then a prime expression will not cross the x axis.

For f(x) = x^2 + x + 1      df/dx = 2x+1 so the turning point is at x = -1/2

d2f/dx^2 = 2 implies the turning point is a minimum.  f(-1/2) = 3/4

This means that the lowest point on the graph is at (-1/2, 3/4) so it never crosses the x axis.

Your method for the first part is ok but, as you have discovered, another approach is needed for more complicated quadratics.

Bob

#207 Re: Help Me ! » Long Division » 2024-09-20 21:39:36

Bob

A long time ago, when I was preparing for my A level exams (age 18) I did two things for practice.

Starting with an A4 piece of paper I expanded that as a determinant into 27 terms each with three letters.

Then I reversed that using a different order to make, say, this:

which demonstrates a property of determinants.

Later edit: Actually, now I've tried it, one is the negative of the other.

It's hard work and you have to be carefully accurate not to miss a term.

Starting with a quadratic with integers coefficients but which won't factorise easily I would do the formula 'in my head'. ie. remember each calculation answer and carry it forward to the next stage in my head. It's hard work but these two things had two big advantages. (1) It trains the brain to do hard stuff and (2) it teaches you to be very careful with the algebra.

I think of it as similar to an athlete doing weight training.  They may not be using weights in their sport but it develops muscle, flexibilty and stamina. Now I'm reminded I'm going to give it a go again to try and keep away from dementia.

Bob

#208 Re: Help Me ! » Right Triangle Prove » 2024-09-20 21:20:36

Bob

That's it. In any triangle if a^2 + b^2 = c^2 then you may conclude that the triangle is right angled.

Bob

#209 Re: Help Me ! » Long Division » 2024-09-20 19:36:04

Bob

When you do numeric long division, you're more likely to succeed with errors if you keep the thousands, hundreds, tens and units neatly in columns.  The zero place holders (yes, that's the term) help with the algebraic version. I did this by hand first on a sheet of plain A4 paper. It took about a third of the page to complete.

Bob

#210 Re: Help Me ! » Right Triangle Prove » 2024-09-20 19:31:44

Bob

It's just two more lines to the result.

Bob

#211 Re: Help Me ! » Factor Completely » 2024-09-20 19:28:17

Bob

Consider x^3 + 1.  The factor theorem can be used here. Set x = -1 and x^3 + 1 evaluates to zero. This means (x + 1) is a factor.


x^3 + 1 = (x+1)(x^2 -x +1)

Bob

#212 Re: Help Me ! » Undefined for Different Reasons » 2024-09-20 19:24:21

Bob

1. I'm happy with your repeated subtraction argument. As multiplication can be thought of as repeated addition my method and yours have the same root.  Yours gets to infinity more neatly so I'll adpot it in the future.

2. This is exactly my argument. smile

Bob

#213 Re: Help Me ! » Long Division » 2024-09-19 20:16:38

Bob

I'm hoping you can do 'ordinary' long division with numbers. The method is similar. It's hard to show the whole process in a thread so I'll just try to get you started.

                                                   x^4      +ax^3
                              _________________________________________________
                              |
            x - a           |    x^5      + 0x^4     + 0x^3     +0x^2     + 0x      -a^5
                                   x^5       - ax^4
                                  ______________ -
                               
                                    0          +ax^4     + 0x^3
                                                +ax^4   -a^2x^3

etc

The method is easiest to use if you take great care to keep the powers of x in neat columns.  It looks ok on my laptop screen. Hope it stays that way for your screen.

Bob

#214 Re: Help Me ! » Factor Completely » 2024-09-19 20:03:29

Bob

You might spot an immediate factorisation but if not here's how to force it.

Let y = x^3 and the expression becomes y^2 + 2y +1 which can be factored into two identical factors,.

Putting x back into one of those and you're down to a cubic.  Substitute x = 1 and the expression is zero so x-1 nust be a factor. Extracting that leaves a quadratic which cannot be factored further.

Bob

#215 Re: Help Me ! » Right Triangle Prove » 2024-09-19 19:52:48

Bob

hi Oculus8596

Welcome to the forum.

opposite integer :- the number that is the same distance from zero but with the opposite sign.

This restriction is unnecessary as the result follows even when m and n are any real numbers.

Start with  a^2 + b^2 = (m^2 - n^2)^2 + 4m^2n^2

Continue with the algebra until you reach c^2

Pythagoras theorem works 'in reverse' so a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is sufficent to prove the right angle.

Bob

#216 Re: Help Me ! » Undefined for Different Reasons » 2024-09-19 00:19:02

Bob

Division is defined as the inverse process to multiplication.

So, for example, we know that  6 x 8 = 48. This leads to 48 ÷ 8 = 6.

To attach a meaning to 48 divided by 8 we can ask "What number times 8 gives 48?"

So, a/0 would mean asking "What number times 0 gives a?" You cannot find a number to answer this question.

Instead of 0, you could consider a very small number instead of 0.  Let's choose a = 6 and divide by 0.1. We get an answer of 60.

Divide by 0.01 and we get 600. Divide by 0.001 and  we get 6000.  So as the divisor gets smaller the answer gets bigger so we might say as the divisor tends to zero the answer tends to infinity. This is useful when trying to sketch a graph.

What about 0 ÷ 0 ?

For this the question would be "What number times 0 gives 0?"  This time there's no shortage of answers as every number times 0 gives 0. So we have to say the answer is indeterminate.

In differential calculus  for a general point (x,y) we construct a chord by joining {x,f(x)} to {x + h, f(x+h)} and calculate it's gradient: {f(x+h) - f(x)} / {h}

As h tends to zero this gradient may tend to a limit and that enables us to assume the gradient at the point is that limit.  It works for lots of functions, so in those special circumstances 0/0 can be given a value.

Bob

#217 Re: Help Me ! » Gauss and freefalling objects » 2024-09-17 04:06:32

Bob

From the (newtonian) equations of motion for a object  falling from rest with  an acceleration g (ok to take this as 10m/s/s) the final velocity is given by v = 0.5gt^2

So when t = 0.1   v = 0.05
              t = 0.2   v = 0.2
              t = 0.3   v = 0.45

................................................

              t = 1     v = 5

The v values aren't in arithmetic progression so that formula won't work.

Bob

#219 Re: Science HQ » Displacement » 2024-09-13 05:53:34

Bob

Hmm. Good point. I've never thought about that before.  The nul vector is definitely a vector. If a vector had components x and y then the angle that vector makes with the positive x axis is arctan(y/x).

If x = y = 0 then y/x is indeterminate.  So I guess it has a direction but nobody knows, or will know, what it is.  smile

There's plenty of things you can work out so I think just file this away with Schrodinger's cat.

Bob

#220 Re: Help Me ! » How Far Can You See? » 2024-09-10 05:51:27

Bob

That's a fair comment. If the ship was a mile high, you'd be able to see the top long after the bottom had disappeared below the horizon.  The method also disregards the curvature of the Earth and where the person's eyes are in that height figure.  But it gives a good approximation for most practical purposes.

Bob

#221 Re: This is Cool » Probability of No Rain » 2024-09-10 05:48:03

Bob

Yes. It follows from the following

If one of n events must occur then

P(event 1) + P(event 2) + ... + P(event n) = 1

Bob

#222 Re: Help Me ! » How Far Can You See? » 2024-09-10 02:01:42

Bob

Not quite sure about the m conversion.  You just need everything in the same units.

That formula works.  Pythag is a part of trigonometry.   I think it's the easiest and quickest method.  d comes out as the straight line distance, not the curvature distance.

Bob

#223 Re: Help Me ! » Domain in Set-builder Notation » 2024-09-09 00:00:04

Bob

Fair point. At the top of each post there's a list of symbols you can copy and paste. ≠  is available there. Does your phone allow you to copy any of those.

Whatever, I was happy with your answer as it had the essential bits.

Bob

#224 Re: Help Me ! » Find (B U C)^c » 2024-09-08 23:56:13

Bob

Dictionary.com defines rogue as "no longer obedient, belonging, or accepted ". 6 doesn't obey the rules as it's not in the universe.

Let's get more practice by making C = {1, 3, 4, 5}

That does change your previous answer.

Bob

#225 Re: Help Me ! » Find B^c ∩ C^c » 2024-09-08 23:52:08

Bob

As C complement is the elements not in C 6 doesn't feature whether it's there or not.  But If you change 6 to 0 for example it would change the answer.

Bob

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