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#126 Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Did you know? » 2010-05-04 11:51:22

JaneFairfax
Replies: 46

#1. Did you know?

The Rutherford Appleton Laboratory is in Oxfordshire, England.

http://z8.invisionfree.com/DYK/index.php?showtopic=259

#127 Re: Help Me ! » Any idea on this wrong integral method? » 2010-05-04 10:06:56

If you’re finding area by integrating between 0 and a general x > 0, you must take the modulus of the integrand.

#128 Re: This is Cool » AI to detect celebrity you're thinking of » 2010-05-04 09:43:48

Wow! I thought of Steve Davis and it correctly guessed my character. I’d say that was just a fluke. tongue

#129 Re: Help Me ! » Any idea on this wrong integral method? » 2010-05-04 09:37:33

John E. Franklin wrote:

For a sine wave, the -cosine result doesn't
come up

What’s the problem?

#130 Re: Jokes » Error Message Haiku » 2010-05-01 10:37:07

Some friends of mine have come up with some of their own haiku here: clickety click.

#132 Re: Help Me ! » What are the orders of the elements in (Z_11 - {0}, x) » 2010-04-30 02:19:17

GroupTheorist wrote:

2=2, 2²=4, 2³=8, 2^4=5, 2^5=10, 2^6=9, 2^7=7, 2^8=1

So should 8 be the order of 2? The answer in the book says that it is 10?

Are you familiar with Lagrange’s theorem? One consequence of Lagrange is that the order of an element of a finite group must divide the order of group. The group you’re dealing with is of order 10; hence the possible orders for 2 are 1, 2, 5 and 10. You therefore only need to check 2[sup]1[/sup], 2[sup]2[/sup], 2[sup]5[/sup] and 2[sup]10[/sup].

#133 Jokes » Yorkshire joke » 2010-04-28 09:32:22

JaneFairfax
Replies: 4

NB: If you’re not familiar with Yorkshire dialect, this joke may not be funny, but … we’ll see.

There was this Yorkshire elderly couple, see, and the woman had got cancer and one day she died. There was a funeral for her, she was buried, and then the widowed husband noticed something wrong. The first line of the epitaph on her tombstone was supposed to read SHE WERE THINE but the stonemason had made a mistake and left out the final E so the line read SHE WERE THIN instead. Furious at the mason’s shoddy work, the widower went to the mason and demanded that the missing E be restored immediately. So the mason went back to his work, and the next day, the man went back to have a look. To his horror, the first line of the epitaph now read: E SHE WERE THIN.

#134 Re: Help Me ! » Polynomial Graphs » 2010-04-21 12:11:53

Okay, more ideas. Let



(1) If D varies and the other coefficients are fixed, then [1] is obviously the general solution to the differential equation


(2) If C varies and the other coefficients are fixed, then

and so [1] is the general solution to the differential equation


(3) If B varies and the other coefficients are fixed, then using the same trick in (2) shows that [1] is the general solution to the differential equation


(3) And if A varies and the other coefficients are fixed, then [1] is the general solution to the differential equation

And, for more fun, you can try varying some of the coefficients and keeping the others fixed. For instance, varying two of the coefficients and keeping the other two fixed will result in a second-order differential equation.

#135 Re: Help Me ! » Polynomial Graphs » 2010-04-21 11:26:02

For C, I think you can try this: Given

then

Thus

(1) If A > 0, increasing C will make the curve more and more strictly increasing, i.e. make it look more and more like a positively sloped straight line. The curve will have local maximum and minimum points if

and decreasing C further will widen the horizontal distance between the local max and min points.

(2) If A < 0, decreasing C will make the curve more and more strictly decreasing, i.e. make it look more and more like a negative sloped straight line. The curve will have local maximum and minimum points if

and increasing C further will widen the horizontal distance between the local max and min points.

#136 Re: Help Me ! » Polynomial Graphs » 2010-04-21 10:58:24

Obviously varying D just shifts the curve up and down, but varying A can also be fairly easily visualized. If A is positive and you make it more positive, or if it’s negative and you make it more negative, you squash the curve sideways, making it narrower. This would be because the curve tends to ±∞ more and more quickly as you increase the absolute value of the leading coefficient.

For B and C, things may be more complicated. I experimented with some cubic curves but my results are not very conclusive – what actually happens may very well depend on the sign of A. For B this could be what might happen:

Increasing the absolute value of B appears to increase the vertical distance between the local maximum and minimum points. In addition: (a) If A > 0 then (i) if B > 0 and you make it more positive, the curve tends to be shifted in a NW direction, and (ii) if B < 0 and you make it more, the curve tends to be shifted in a SE direction; (b) If A < 0 then (i) if B > 0 and you make it more positive, the curve tends to be shifted in a NE direction, and (ii) if B < 0 and you make it more, the curve tends to be shifted in a SW direction.

#138 Re: Help Me ! » Set Theory: Prove the set of complex numbers is uncountable » 2010-04-18 19:44:27

It contains the subset ℝ which is well known to be uncountable. Is that proof enough?

#140 Re: Exercises » What do you think? » 2010-04-18 05:49:13

bobbym wrote:

Hi;

Can you prove this using only algebra?


#143 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Old, 0 post users » 2010-04-15 02:27:35

MathsIsFun wrote:

I remember people posting messages like "I have been a regular here for a while, and this is my first post ..."

What if we just deleted people like that?

Then they can just re-register, can’t they? neutral

#144 Re: Help Me ! » Composition of relationships » 2010-04-15 02:15:47


with
and
.

Given

, let
.

Then

and
and so
.

So yes,

.

I’m sure the other five relations all work out the same way.

#145 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Old, 0 post users » 2010-04-14 00:01:46

If they visit but do not post, they don’t need to register as a member and so their username can be deleted anyway. Use common sense.

#146 Re: Help Me ! » Prove set S is countable iff there exists a surjective/injective funct » 2010-04-12 21:09:13

Oops. I was thinking only of “countably infinite” there. Why I was doing that I have no idea. neutral

But yes, cxc001’s problem clearly takes the term countable to mean “finite or countably infinite”.

#147 Re: Help Me ! » Prove set S is countable iff there exists a surjective/injective funct » 2010-04-11 11:10:15

Ricky wrote:

As such, not all countable sets are of the same cardinality of the integers.


Don’t all countable sets have the same cardinality? Do you mean not all infinite sets have cardinality
?


cxc001 wrote:

So how do I construct the bijective function f:N->S correctly then?


f does not have to be bijective! For S to be countable,
only needs to be surjective. For example, S might be the set of all even natural numbers and f could be the function
.

#148 Re: Help Me ! » Cardinality Problem: Prove |A| < |N| » 2010-04-11 03:42:08

It depends on which how you define “finite set”. The two most commonly used definitions are:

(1) A set is said to be infinite iff there is a bijection from itself to a proper subset of itself. It is said to be finite iff it is not infinite (i.e. there is no bijection from itself to a proper subset of itself).


(2) A set S is said to be finite iff it is empty or there is a bijection from S to the set {1,2,…,n} for some natural number n.

From the first definition, we see that ℕ is infinite (e.g. there is a bijection from itself to the set of all even natural numbers). From the second definition, the fact that ℕ is not finite can be proved by induction on n.

Let’s do the proof of the problem using both definitions. smile

(1) Using this definition, it is more straightforward to prove the contrapositive statement: If |ℕ| ≤ |A| then A is infinite. |ℕ| ≤ |A| means there is an injective function f from ℕ into A. Since ℕ is infinite, so is f(ℕ). And since A has an infinite subset, it must itself be infinite.

(2) For this, we use contradiction and the axiom of choice. It may be that you can do it without the axiom of choice (ask Ricky tongue) but since the axiom of choice simplifies life a great deal, I don’t see why I shouldn’t be justified in using it.

The fact that there is an injective function from A into ℕ is a simple consequence of the definition of finiteness. Suppose there is a surjective function f from A onto ℕ. By the axiom of choice, there is a bijection f* from a subset A* of A to ℕ (i.e. define the equivalence relation ~ on A by x ~ y iff f(x) = f(y), then select a unique element from each equivalence class to form A* and take f* to be the restriction of f to A*). As A is finite, so is A*. Let g be a bijection from A* to {1,2,…,n} for some natural number n. Then g∘f*[sup]−1[/sup] is a bijection from ℕ to {1,2,…,n}, implying that ℕ is finite – a contradiction.

#149 Re: Help Me ! » Function related Problem » 2010-04-10 10:18:23

(b) If you complete the square

you can clearly see that

for all real numbers

. You can thus take
and
; eliminating
gives

which is the relation all

and
must satisfy in order that
.

(c) That’s correct.

(d) Please define “well-known” and “related to”.

#150 Re: Help Me ! » Spheres problem » 2010-04-08 08:44:35

ZHero wrote:

Height of the 5th point from the Base =1.5r

No, no, it is (√2)r.

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