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#41851 Re: Guestbook » Maths » 2005-08-12 20:07:31

Welcome to the forum, Tahlia!
Keep visiting, new pages are being put on the website! You'd love them too!

#41853 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Ah Yes, Infinity » 2005-08-12 17:11:20

Yes, I used logarithm to the base 10 for convenience.
The idea is to show that
Infinity + 1 = Infinity
Infinity + Infinity = Infinity
Infinity x Infinity = Infinity
Infinity ^ Infinity = Infinity
Infinity ^ Infinity ^ Infinity ^ Infinity ........Infinite times = Infinity
This is true because because we can never say for what value of n
log(n)infinity would be undefined.
And this is only the fourth stage of iteration (also referred to as 'tetration').
No wonder, Infinity is beyond comprehension for the human mind!

#41854 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Ah Yes, Infinity » 2005-08-11 23:54:58

Definition:-
log (x) is denoted as log(1)x
log (log x) is denoted as log(2) x
log[log(logx)] is denoted as log(3)x
and so on.
We know that log of zero or a negative number is not defined.
My question is, for what value of n would log(n) ∞ i.e. log(n)infinity, be not defined?
(eg. log(6)Googolplex is not defined.)

Warning : We are moving from infinite to transfinite cool

#41855 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2005-08-11 22:42:23

wcy wrote:

a = 1
b=0.0000000000000000...1
a-b=0.99999999....
a²-b²=1²-0.000000....1=0.99999999...
(a+b)(a-b)=a²-b²
a+b = (a²-b²)/(a-b)=0.9999.../0.9999...=1
a=1
therefore b=0 !!!!
therefore a-b=0.999999...=1-0=1  !!!!!

If we are talking of infinite number of zeros after the decimal, before the 1, in b,
the proof is correct!
Because, a²-b² would be equal to a-b.
This is because we have defined 0.0000000000.......1 as 1 ater an infinite number of zeros after the decimal followed by 1,
as kylekatarn denotes 0.(0)1.


However, if the number of zeros is finite, (Don't worry, it is not)
a²-b² would contain more 9s than a-b.

#41856 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-11 22:28:30

Mathsy, you are right.
But, this can be done with Calculus.
Let x^x = y
x logx = log y
Differentiating both side,
xLogx(1) + x(1/x) = d(logy)
logx + 1 = d(logy)
When this is equal to zero,
Logx + 1 = 0
Log x = -1
      x = e^-1 = 1/e
This is because logy is minimum when y is minmum smile

#41857 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-11 22:23:33

Oops, I made a mistake.

If, as I had said earlier, x∈ Real numbers,
my question would have no answer as
(-1 x 10^n) -1 would give a negative odd number for a
large value of n (n ∈ Natural Numbers).  And this number raised to itself would give a negative number which would be much lesser than zero!
Therefore, the smallest value would be -∞

I forgot while posting that one that a^-n = 1/a^n
Therefore, the minmum value of x^x is not -∞
I am sorry I wasn't concentrating 100% smile

#41858 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-08-11 22:20:56

You are right, MathsisFun. I am working on this. I shall give you the details next week.

#41859 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-08-11 21:17:49

0^0^0 is not defined.
But for 1, as you pointed out,  2^Mx > x^x^x.
For this problem, let us take value of x ≥ 2, x ∈ N

#41860 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-11 21:12:32

Am I allowed to slightly modify my question?
If yes, the question should read
'For what value of x is x^x the minimum, x>0?'
If, as I had said earlier, x∈ Real numbers,
my question would have no answer as
(-1 x 10^n) -1 would give a negative odd number for a
large value of n (n ∈ Natural Numbers).  And this number raised to itself would give a negative number which would be much lesser than zero!
Therefore, the smallest value would be -∞ smile

#41861 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2005-08-11 16:38:43

kylekatarn wrote:

I don't know if the way I represent the infinitesimal quantity ( 0.(0)1 ) is mathematically correct. But I found it very usefull while researching on this.

0.(0)1 is 1/(10^ ∞)
When I had to deal with numbers like 9.9999999999999999999....8,
I put a horizontal arrow pointing towards the right above the 9 after the decimal.Then I put the number 8. This meant that 9 keeps on recurring but the last digit is 8. But your method seems better, more convenient. Whether it would be accepted by Mathematicians worldover is another thing!

But the point I wanted to make is 0.999999999999...................... is a devilish number and would never be found in any mathematical problem or solution. It cannot be represented in a graph, It cannot be said to be irrational, yet it cannot be expressed as a rational number. It is not a transcendental number. As a rule, it should be possible to represent all decimals as a rational number. But this number defies the rule, although it is a recurring decimal. Sin 89.99999999999999999999999999999........ degrees can be said to be equal to this number. 

I give up..........

#41862 Re: Help Me ! » I need your help » 2005-08-11 16:10:13

If Mx is the Least Common Multiple of all numbers from 1 to x,
can it be proved that
x^x < 2^Mx  < x^x^x ?
The second part is very simple. 2^Mx is certainly less than x^x^x because both the base and the exponent of 2^Mx are lesser than x^x^x.

#41863 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-11 16:07:26

Problem # n+7

If x ∈ Real Numbers, What is the minimum value of x^x?

#41864 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Online poll for website » 2005-08-10 16:46:48

A poll like...
Which part of Mathematics I hate the most?
(a) Calculus
(b) Trignometry
(c) Probability
(d) Algebra
(e) Vectors and Mechanics
(f) Number Theory
.........etc. big_smile

#41865 Re: Jokes » Tellytubbies are evil! » 2005-08-10 16:41:34

Reminded me of one of Murphy's Love Laws:-

Brains x Beauty x Availability = Constant tongue

#41866 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Wink Murder 2 » 2005-08-10 16:08:04

A stranger offered me a bottle of coke. Coke has always been my favorite. How could I resist? Without any suspicion, I drank the entire 300 ml. Later, I started feeling dizzy and I realized I was poisoned. But it was too late. My legs were too weak to carry me and I fell dead.

#41868 Re: Help Me ! » help with Inequality » 2005-08-09 23:48:04

Lets take the length of sides Mathsy has given.
The Hero's formula for area of a triangle is
Area = √(s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)
where a, b, c are the sides and s = (a+b+c)/2
Therefore, Area = √[(11/2)(11/2 - 2)(11/2 - 3) (11/2 - 6)]
11/2 - 6 is a negative number,
So the Area of the triangle is an imaginary number big_smile

#41869 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-09 21:18:52

And you got it RIGHT!
The Girls can take the odd places and the boys can take the even places.
This is possible in 5! x 5! different ways.
Then, the Boys can take the odd places and the girls can take the even places, which is possible in 5! x 5! different ways.
Hence, the number of arrangements possible is
2 x 5! x 5! = 2 x 120 x 120 = 28,800

#41870 Re: Puzzles and Games » A Diophantine problem » 2005-08-09 18:32:35

Thanks, MathsisFun.
I'll continue from where you left.
a(a+1) is certainly even.
b(b+2) is odd if b is odd.
If b is even, b(b+2) is even, and is always a multiple of 4.
a(a+1) is a multiple of 4 only if a is multiple of 4 or it is a number of the form 4n+3.
Lets assume a is a number of the form 4n+3.
a(a+1) = (4n+3)(4n+4) = 16n² + 16n + 12n + 12 = 16n² + 28n + 12
= 4(4n²+7n+3)
Let this number be equal to b(b+2)
b(b+2) = 4(4n²+7n+3)
b² + 2b - 4(4n²+7n+3) = 0
b = [-2 ± √{4 +16(4n²+7n+3)}]/4
Let n=0, we get an irrational number as b.
Let n=1, we get an irrational number as b.
Let n=2, again, we get an irrational number as b.

Can {4 +16(4n²+7n+3)} never be a perfect square?

Is it because the last digit of {4 +16(4n²+7n+3)} is 2 or 8 and not 4 or 6?

#41871 Re: Introductions » Enough is enough! » 2005-08-09 17:22:46

I live in Chennai, India, very close to the Equator, and 5 1/2 hours ahead of GMT! Chennai is a port city in the Bay of Bengal and was formerly known as Madras.

#41872 Re: Help Me ! » help with Inequality » 2005-08-09 17:19:28

The Triangle inequality is
AB + BC > AC
AC + BC > AB
AB + AC > BC

You have given BC=4 and AC = 8 - AB
Therefore, the required inequality is
AB < BC + AC
AB < BC + 8 - AB
2 AB < BC + 8
AB < (BC + 8)/2

#41873 Re: Puzzles and Games » A prime puzzle » 2005-08-09 17:05:45

Digital roots of 14^n

The digital roots always go in cycles of 6.
That is there are six possible digital roots (sometimes, one or more of them may be the same)Since the digital root of 14 is 5,
we get 6 values of digital roots for
5^6n, 5^6n+1, 5^6n+2,....5^6n+5
They are 1, 5, 7, 8, 4, 2.
For even powers, we see that the digital roots are 1, 7, 4.
This would be true for 5, 14, 23, 32, 41 etc, i.e. all numbers having digital root of 5.

From the work of Mathsy, it is seen that we needed to check only for even powers (as odd powers are divisible by 5).
Since the even powers are divisible by 3, it can be concluded that
14^n + 11 would never be a prime number!
I don't think there are any loopholes in the proof.

#41874 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-09 16:45:18

Problems #n+6
There are 5 boys and 5 girls and they are made to sit in a row such that no two boys and no two girls sit next to each other. How many arrangements are possible?

#41875 Re: Jai Ganesh's Puzzles » Problems and Solutions » 2005-08-09 16:43:07

It was a little easier after I got 24 zeros for 100! Thereafter, one additional zero each for 125, 250, 375, 500, 625, 750, 875 and 1000 have to be provided. 249 should be the right answer! I didn't know the solution when I posted that question.

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