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#201 Re: Help Me ! » confused..... » 2006-08-27 14:04:05

Here are some exercises(I recommend that you don't try the double starred ones until after Calculus III(I don't think most standard curriculums even teach the proper way to do the double starred ones, I just put them there for people like Ricky to pull their hair out over)):

http://www.mathsisfun.com/forum/viewtop … 952#p39952

#202 Exercises » Integration by Substitution » 2006-08-27 14:00:29

Zhylliolom
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Evaluate the following integrals by the method of integration by substitution. Starred exercises may take more problem solving and manipulation than the others. Double starred problems should only be attempted by those who are quite experienced with the Calculus, and may cause anger and frustration. Triple starred problems are reserved for the truly insanely skilled. The beauty of the solution of triple starred problems combined with the sense of accomplishment is a true reward for the hard work put into the problem.



#203 Re: Help Me ! » confused..... » 2006-08-27 08:54:06

Also, note the following:

If you were to make the substitution dx = du/10x, you would have

since 4x/10x = 2/5. So from that, you have another way of seeing how the 2/5 showed up.

#204 Re: Help Me ! » confused..... » 2006-08-27 08:49:48

Because to get 4x to be 10x, so we can substitute 10x dx = du, we need to multiply 4x by 5/2 ((5/2)*4x = 10x). But this gives us a different integral (instead of ∫f(x) dx we now have ∫(5/2)f(x) dx). So to keep the integral the same, we multiply it by the reciprocal of 5/2, which is 2/5. This will work out since (2/5)∫(5/2)f(x) dx = ∫f(x) dx, so it is indeed the same integral. Is that clear?

Yes, the image you posted with the substitution dx = du/10x works as well. It is just a matter of preference. If you understand that method better, then perhaps you should use it instead.

I am actually a student, not a teacher. I call myself a teacher to sound cooler, and perhaps I am just an unofficial teacher. I do teach other math and physics if they let me, I just don't get a salary for it sad.

I think I may post a thread in the Exercises section about Integration by Substitution later tonight. Keep your eyes open for it, and when it shows up, try to do the exercises to see if you get the concept of Integration by Substitution. For now, I need to go do homework smile. I'll be back later.

Edit: I just realized that you said "why isn't there a dx on the end" for 10x = du. There is supposed to be: du = 10x dx. I'm not sure if I made a typo somewhere and forgot the dx or what. Just in case you're wondering, we get du = 10x dx from

#205 Re: Jokes » Courtroom extracts » 2006-08-27 07:22:55

Dein Deutsch ist lächerlich.

#206 Re: Jokes » Courtroom extracts » 2006-08-27 07:08:36

Mein Gott, es gibt ein gute Sammlung von Witze hier! Schöne.

#207 Re: Help Me ! » confused..... » 2006-08-27 07:03:43

Yes, Ricky is right. dx is part of du, so it "disappears" when we make the substitution du = 10x dx.

It's funny how every student of the Calculus I have taught is always uncomfortable with the "disappearing dx" at first. It's just such a widespread thing that everyone seems to feel.

Thanks for calling it "beautifully written". I'm glad my work for you is appreciated smile.

#208 Re: Help Me ! » confused..... » 2006-08-27 06:11:42

Have you learned the technique of Integration by Substitution? Here's the basic idea of it:

Let's look at our integral:

In its current form, you probably don't recognize it as something you can integrate. but if it were in the form

you could solve it in a heartbeat. The goal of Integration by Substitution is to get the integral into a simple form like the one above, so you can evaluate the integral. How do we go about this? Well, I'm not sure how well I can explain this, and it may seem like I am making so leaps in logic, but this is just a thing you need to practice, and then it will become natural and you'll be able to know the correct substitution to make nearly all of the time.

Ok, now if we were to substitute some u in for x in a given integral ∫f(x) dx, by the chain rule the integral would turn into ∫f(u) du. This probably just looks confusing, doing the example will make it become clearer. So let's look at our integral here and find a suitable expression to set as u. The best way to go about this is to think of what integrals we can easily solve that look like the given integral and then what substitution x = u would be able to change the integral into that form. Looking at the integral, we may see the form

which we know we can solve easily. It turns out that we can get this form if we let u = 5x² - 1. We choose this substitution so that we can get only one term under the square root. Almost always with Integration by Substitution we wish to get only one term in places like (u)[sup]n[/sup], cos(u), e[sup]u[/sup], etc. Anyway, if we let u = 5x² - 1, then du = 10x dx (do you get what I did here?). Now we plug in u for 5x² - 1 and du for 10x dx(we multiplied 4x by 5/2 in the second step to get 4x to be 10x and to balance out that 5/2 we multiplied the entire integral by 2/5):

Now we just substitute 5x² - 1 for u to get our answer in terms of x:

I hope this was clear.

#209 Re: Guestbook » How Can They? » 2006-08-26 05:51:55

But if they aren't fond of mathematics, they must not be human, because such a thing isn't possible. Conlusion: They're engineers.

#210 Re: This is Cool » The Nine Planets 'Solar System Tour' » 2006-08-25 15:44:30

Sorry, my recent solution of a long-standing problem of functional analysis has dazed me in such a manner that I experience hallucinations.

You kind folks should check out this article, which contains information nobody here has heard about yet, especially Mikau:

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/ … index.html

#211 Re: This is Cool » The Nine Planets 'Solar System Tour' » 2006-08-25 14:23:38

Darn you Mikau, I just thought about posting that here. You've ruined my night and potentially my life.

#212 Re: Guestbook » it's simple » 2006-08-25 06:42:26

For any anti-Firefox activists here, explain why Firefox is so bad. Also, feel free to point out factors that make particular other browsers better.

#213 Re: Guestbook » WRONG SAT Result » 2006-08-25 06:40:44

Yeah, you foolish children. Just wait until you're older and SATs control your life.

#214 Re: Guestbook » it's simple » 2006-08-24 11:26:06

Firefox is the story of my life

#216 Re: Help Me ! » About Special Numbers! » 2006-08-24 11:23:19

I believe you are talking about perfect numbers in the first part of your post(the part where you talked about 6).

I'm not sure exactly what to make of the rest of the post.

#217 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Non-LaTex symbols » 2006-08-23 06:24:51

Silly me, I can do it if I have numlock on. I should have tried before I asked wink.

#218 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Non-LaTex symbols » 2006-08-22 15:25:15

Do you know if there is a way to type alt codes on a laptop with no number pad?

#221 Re: Help Me ! » 3.3333333 + 6.66666666 » 2006-08-21 11:31:56

John, if that's the case, then tell me, what is ∞ - 1? Because instead of ∞ 3's after the decimal place in 3.333... × 10 there will be "only" ∞ - 1, in your view of the problem. Krassi's display may leave room for ambiguity, but Numen and I's posts have rather clear methods/reasons which leave little to be debated.

#222 Re: Help Me ! » 3.3333333 + 6.66666666 » 2006-08-21 04:07:06

Numen's view is great. You can also say that 3.333... = 3 + 1/3 = 10/3 and 6.666... = 6 + 2/3 = 20/3, and we have

3.333... + 6.666... = 9.999...

but equivalently

10/3 + 20/3 = 30/3 = 10,

so 9.999... = 10.

Another way to see that 9.999... = 10 is to use a geometric series like so:

#223 Re: Euler Avenue » About this forum » 2006-08-19 15:51:40

I would say pretty much anything beyond high school level. I'd say that's just about after basic calculus. Essentially, things that may make no sense or be confusing to normal people should go here I guess.

#224 Re: Euler Avenue » About this forum » 2006-08-19 08:08:44

Perhaps a few threads from "This is Cool" should be moved here? Examples would be ben's "Lie groups, anyone?" and Zhylliolom's "ζ(2n)". Just a suggestion.

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