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#126 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-22 14:40:34


That is the hard rule that must be always followed ?

#128 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-22 14:05:12

I don't understand how you figured out the determinant ? It appears that you are grabbing random letters in the matrix then doing the formula, I know you're not so what are you doing ? smile

Now do you want to see how to get a determinant of a real live matrix? If I give you one can you get it?

Yes !

Lynx, what exactly are you asking for?

I'm figuring out advanced math piece by piece ! To relate it to an application I use regularly.

#130 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-22 13:26:49

If you now think you can answer this:

3* y - 12 if I plug in 17 into y.

Then I will show you a formula for a 3 x 3 determinant, okay?

39???

#131 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-22 11:50:49

How do I figure out the determinant for a 3x3 what do the extra rows & columns in 4x4 represent?

#132 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-22 11:17:53

How do you figure out a determinant ???
Normalizing a vectors just means make it always a length of 1 ?

#133 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-22 08:08:10

What does Normalize do ? smile

What are 4x4 matrices, and I assume their is determinants within a 4x4 correct ?

#134 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 16:47:03

No, do you ?
What about 4x4 matrices and determinants ?

I have question to post but I will as soon as I learn some plain & fast latex code smile

#135 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 15:13:55

Whenever there is a general formula you will see only letters. They will be variables in which you put numbers ( for the time being ) into. That is what Algebra is.

Slowly it's making sense smile

You can multiply a matrix and a vector to produce a vector. Or as I told you, you can consider a matrix to be a bunch of vectors. You can pull them apart as column or row vectors.

I just put what you said in practice with matricies and vectors and although the first stage turned out to be garbage I did do something in my 3D program so I made slight progress up

I don't understand 4x4 matrices and determinants and I'd like if you could give me a 3x3 matrix question for me to break down and solve. Normalize, Normalizes values as in to 1,2,3 etc ?

#136 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 11:04:23

Can you give me an example which letters are only used ? I can try to figure it out ?

Remember how I asked you how do they figure out what a matrix to a vector is ? We know that a vector is X,Y,Z which row or column is extracted and used as the vector ?

#137 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 10:32:58

Whether it be y,z,k,p all those are just variables which can be replaced with numbers.  When I see a matrix that is all letters that is just being used as a place holder for whichever numbers they want to replace with ?

#138 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 09:38:00

Yes, that is the first row. Remember I told you that a matrix can be thought of as a collection of column vectors or row vectors. The first row is a row vector.

I assume that is where in 3D you convert Matrix to Vector which takes the first row of the matrix ?

When you plug in to a variable you replace it. For 2 y + 5 when I plug in 5 for y I get 2 * 5 + 5 = 15.

Explain that again I still don't understand dunno

One thing at a time. Those are best done by computer. A 4x4 is never attempted by hand unless the person is a real boob. A 3x3 is tedious but possible. To demonstrate a determinant we usually use a 2 x 2.

The determinant of a 2x2 or 3x3 matrix is the cross between as in (A)(D) & (B)(C) ?

#139 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 04:46:00

K is that matrix but I do not care for or seen very much of that notation. A matrix in double indexed notation can be referred to as

That would mean 2 row, 2 column, so it would be 5.

This, I now understand smile

Sometimes in programming you might see:

K[1], that would mean the whole first row.

The whole first row being 1,2,3 ?!?!

Plugging in is the act of substituting something for a variable. Usually a number. For instance 2x + 9. Plugging in a 5 for the x yields 19.

I don't understand how you got 19 and how to figure out a determinant from a 3x3 matrix or especially a 4x4 matrix.

#140 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 04:06:46


That matrix is referred to K, correct ? It can be any letter so k2 is row 1 column 2 ?

It is just using a formula and a technique called plugging in. Nothing amazing about it.

I want to understand how it's 'plugging in' smile How do I figure this out, I know how you multiple a matrix and add so that helps.

#141 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-21 03:05:32

Just click it and the latex code for it will come up. Then put that between the math tags.

That is what I meant, now onto my questions smile

The A has not meaning it is just a variable for something ?

Please be careful with your choice of letters. In math we use capitals for matrices. x,y,z etc for variables. In answer to the question the rules of algebra apply to numbers and variables. You do not know what A*B is specifically. What it is saying is when you take 2 matrices ( any two matrices ) and you multiply them then something will happen.

That site provides a java applet for computing the determinant of a 3x3.

If a matrix is written as such:

That you just substitute the letters with numbers ? How come when I see some matrices online they are doing the math with letters, doesn't make sense to me.  The java applet that can find out the determinant I don't understand how that is figuring it out ? I wish I could understand how to write in latex so I can write things out so it could be understood easier, as in writing out arrays etc.

#142 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-20 16:09:02

The matrix graph you posted in post #229

#143 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-20 12:43:21

I can't add the graphic in the quote do I have to upload it again ?

#144 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-20 12:08:14

Before I reply how do I quote your matrices ?

#145 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-20 00:54:21

I don't understand with Matrices there is a A,B,T,C before the brackets. Then within the brackets there is usually a big letter with two smaller letters as in S(y,z). I remember you telling me they are variables but whenever I see a matrix math question there adding or multiplying these together how is that possible do you have to treat them as numbers ? How are they knowing what A*B is ? To get an exact idea of what I mean see this page:

http://www.analyzemath.com/Calculators/determinant_3by3.html
This brings me to another Sub-Question how do you calculate Determinant?

Arrays, what are some terms like indexInArray ? I know that an Array is a list, and that is all I know sad

#146 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-19 15:36:23

First on to my Matrix question, that I posted then onto my Array question smile I'm not using Matlab but as you may or may not have remembered the 3D program I use had a similar way to create complex effects which is what I'm trying to learn smile

I won't reply until tomorrow as it's almost 11 PM, I just wanted to get my question posted smile

#147 Re: Help Me ! » Math Terms - Visually Described ? » 2011-01-19 15:20:36

Update: I have figured out how you add / subtract / multiple matrices.  I don't know how you divide matrices and how matrices are written, for example there is always a big letter outside of the brackets and smaller letters within the brackets.

Bobby you were or still am a programmer, maybe you can help me understand arrays.  You know I'm working with a visual based math in my 3D program that is identical to MatLab.

#148 Re: Help Me ! » 3D Math Problem ARRRRGH » 2011-01-18 15:48:32

Alright, I'm going to go for the night as well as it's almost 11PM (EST) If you can post something in the forums as a sticky so it gets attention, hopefully someone can help !

Is anyone here using softimage?

#149 Re: Help Me ! » 3D Math Problem ARRRRGH » 2011-01-18 15:41:28

Well I will stick with the 3D software I taught myself the past 5 years.  The only thing I'm stuck on is this visual thing they added 2 versions ago which you can build whatever you need.  For example, causing a object distance control scalar data, if I could for a while have a tutor who could drive me along for a while I'm sure I could finally grasp it then I could drive on my own.

#150 Re: Help Me ! » 3D Math Problem ARRRRGH » 2011-01-18 15:28:39

All the other guys are just lackeys / followers.  Is it possible to find a program where someone in my current position gets recognized or does it depend on the people ?

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