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#1276 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » The philosophical ramblings of a skitzo. » 2006-05-13 23:52:45

I think Marxism is incontigent, for Karl Marx just doubtfully applied Hegellian dialetics to materilism.

By the way, why do you say they are inferior? They themselves claim to have a "better" logic than "yes or no".

Why did I say insufficient? You cannot have 2 same apples, so 2,3...are just approximations for reality.

#1278 Re: Help Me ! » integration » 2006-05-13 23:39:50

After simplification they are both ln2 (log2) !!!

#1279 Re: Help Me ! » integration » 2006-05-13 23:34:21

It took my software 2 minutes to compute n=7 case and 7 minutes to compute n=18 case. Although it didn't return ln2, the numerical approximation are both 0.693147  ! ! !

#1280 Re: Help Me ! » integration » 2006-05-13 23:11:11

I admit my method is wrong, because the trapezoid fails to approximate even

So is the answer ln2 instead? It depends on whether (sint)[sup]n[/sup]/t[sup]n+1[/sup] can be treated as 1/t.

#1281 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » The philosophical ramblings of a skitzo. » 2006-05-13 00:29:38

Math structure is basically based on a simple philosophy-either A, or not, but not both. This is a logical, but insufficient interpretion of our world.
for example, we know that

A->B <=> notB->notA

Proof:
A  status can  be strictly categoried into B and not B, and a status( though whether it is the same as the former status is unknown) can be categoried into A and not A
then we have
  A    ->      B
notA         notB
A cause only B, and A cannot cause notB, which is the very meaning of
A->B
then if notB "turns on", we say that the latter status must fall into notA class to avoid controversary.
then notB->notA

So basically "yes or no"philosophy, yes is yes, no is no, others are Plain #@$! big_smile

#1282 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » imballanced brain... » 2006-05-13 00:13:18

Mikau, do you love movies? I think a philosophical movie would be a good start.

#1283 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » imballanced brain... » 2006-05-13 00:11:11

And basicly I think people who hold an interest in math and science generally prefer to occupy their brain with different types of thoughts that in some way relate to math or science, while other more poetic people are content to occupy their thoughts with small talk and simple conversations, and can find the beauty in simple things.

I think math is already simple, you have only a few formulas to remember, which are even correlated! And that's why I hate my major and love simple, brief and elegant math.

#1284 Re: Help Me ! » Proving an Equation when the function is unknown » 2006-05-12 23:25:50

IT IS A GOOD QUESTION!!!

It's a question about coords, combination of derivatives, and vector calculus altogether.

It's about expressing the original combination of derivatives in another co-ords, usually orthogonal curvy ones. For example, polar co-ords are curvy, and dr and dθ at any given point are orthogonal to each other.

It's usually explained in a vector calculus book or a calculus book for physicians. Untill now, I haven't got a satisfactory explaination for this kind of transfer in any books.

However, I do find a particular solution for your coords and your case.

Define

After substition,

According to Chain Rule


Thus you can compute the right of your equation and use cos²θ+sin²θ=1 to prove it equates the left.

#1285 Re: Help Me ! » 3d geometry proof: unsolvable? » 2006-05-12 18:31:19

mikau wrote:

I didn't make up this problem, its in a book. But yeah it seems we need one more piece of information.

Maybe I should have used passive format.

#1286 Re: Help Me ! » 3d geometry proof: unsolvable? » 2006-05-12 18:29:37

If two objects' projecture on a surface are equal, while their angles against the surface are equal, they are equal, too.

#1287 Re: Help Me ! » 3d geometry proof: unsolvable? » 2006-05-12 15:11:15

you should give another condition - two angles equal, or two line segments equal.

#1288 Re: Help Me ! » Estimate » 2006-05-11 15:53:52

yes the formula you use is correct
for
85/3    +85/3    +85/3 =    85
1st mon 2nd mon 3rd mon 3months altogether

#1289 Re: Help Me ! » integration » 2006-05-11 15:30:05

Franklin wrote: but the answer is likely zero the the area under the curve from 0 to 0, unless n is way bigger than m- Right

when n is just 1 larger than m, the limit does exist and is not 0.

before x reached 0, we can treat x as a small amount. 2x is small too.
then the integral can be approximately treated as the area of a trapezoid, with height x=2x-x,
     the left base (sinx)^m/x^n, the right base (sin2x)^m/(2x)^n.

Since x and 2x are very small. the left base can be treated as
(x+o(x))^m/x^n= (both*1/x[sup]m[/sup])= (1+o(x))/x
and the right base
(1+o(x))/2x

Hence the area is
[(1+o(x))/x+(1+o(x))/2x] x/2= 3/4+o(x)

_______________________________________________________
Special Note for o(x)
o(x) is a variable dependent on x which satisfies Limit x->0 {o(x)/x}=0.
Hence o(x) is always much smaller than x, for example x²,x³ or sin²x
o(x)+o(x)=o(x)
o(x) o(x)= atleast o(x) or exactly o(x²)
o(x) anyC =o(x)
o(x) x/x =o(x)
_______________________________________________________

Let's now have a look at the whole limit of 3/4+o(x) - it approaches 3/4 when x gets smaller and smaller, and the limit should be 3/4 tongue

when n=1+m, 3/4
when n<1+m, no sense or infinity.
when n>1+m, 0.

#1290 Re: Help Me ! » Data Analysis - Statistics! » 2006-05-11 14:47:11

(H0) If the (original )coefficient of holidays is 0, while its sample standard deviation is 0.0975, then according t distribution for degree of freedom being 10 (Samples Size)-2 (Coefficient Amount)=8, -1.425/0.0975 should be at the very tail of the bell curve. Thus the probability for a sample observation of a 0 coefficient, -1.425/0.0975, to occur is very low. Usually they integrate PDF before -1.425/0.0975 and double it for symmetricity of t distribution to demonstrate how low the "altogether" probability is and say it's an almost imposible event.

Since its probability is too low under the assumption that the coefficient is 0, we have enough reason to doubt the very assumption. This is like what cops do-yes the victim can die of an accident but the situation is unnormal and the probability for an reasonable accident in that situation is too low, thus a further investigation should be compulsory.

Refusing 0 assumption= admitting non zero= admitting that there is a correlation between AbsentDays and Holidays-we can interpret it as lack of Holidays being cause and absent behavior being effect. And -1.425Holidays is called statistically significant.

Initially I used excel (tools-data digging-regression, load vb before first using) to do the regression of absent days to 3 other variables (grades turned into wages), but 2 of the 3 independent variables doesn't pass the 0 test-their integrated probabilty is more than 10%. Then I used only the remaining independent variable, also the significant variable Number of Holidays to do the regression and get post #5, with R²=96.4%, virtually as same as the previous R²=97.6%. So I could say this new function with variable amount reduced to 1, can explain as much dependent variable, the amount of absent days, as the previous function with 3 variables, why not choose the new one? Both my econometric textbook author and I believe in Occum's Razor, and I give you the simple function(formula).

#1291 Re: Help Me ! » Urgent Parabola Help!~! » 2006-05-11 14:04:26

You should find another constraint to determine a.
3 parameters a, b and c, at least need 2 constraints to determine, according to my experience.

#1292 Re: Help Me ! » a chair problem » 2006-05-11 14:01:49

This should be a geometry problem, but I've forgotten all the theorems.:(

#1293 Re: Help Me ! » Data Analysis - Statistics! » 2006-05-10 03:53:38

AbsentDays=     48       -1.425Holidays
                   (2.388)     (0.0975)       R²=0.964

#1294 Re: Formulas » Discussions About The Formulas » 2006-05-07 17:01:55

I totally agree with your idea. Sometimes it's really difficult to apply math by just referring to a formula (Or else everybody could escape from math lessons through keeping a handbook). Yet introducing the whole system would be like authoring a new book and unrealistic.

So my idea is to set a Theory Piece Section, to allow people to explain and dig difficult, fundamental  ideas or whatever he/she thinks important to a math learner, in Existing math theories.

#1295 Re: Help Me ! » probability question » 2006-05-06 21:44:00

When X is less than K, the probability is 0,
Else Binomial distribution would be the answer.

for a single experiment,
P(dice showing 6)=1/6
P(dice not showing 6)=5/6

#1296 Re: Formulas » Discussions About The Formulas » 2006-05-06 21:38:53

But that won't be too much help.
It's like proposing a Euclid post. Can you imagine a bunch of formulas or theorems can express the whole system, or at least the majority of?

#1297 Re: Help Me ! » Finding things irrationally » 2006-05-06 21:32:04

What if a third similar element added to your formula? It can't be covered by the old one.

#1298 Re: Formulas » Finance » 2006-05-06 01:21:31

What job can we do if you put all the tricks online ????

#1299 Re: This is Cool » arc length of a spiral » 2006-05-06 01:16:19

Yes, polar co-ords can be really helpful and a good alternative!

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