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#77 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Wish I don't have to go to school » 2014-06-20 12:04:44

To get into university you need to do A levels. To do A levels you need GCSE's.   GCSE -> A levels > University undergrad  is the traditional route. You usually need 5 A to C's to be able to do A levels. If you want to study a subject at A level then you usually need it at A grade at GCSE level. Students pick 4 AS then continue 3 of them the second year. It appears chooipian is interested in maths and physics. So he would need to get an A-A* at GCSE maths and an A for double or triple science at GCSE in order to do physics and math at A level.

#78 Re: Help Me ! » Geometry definition about lines » 2014-06-20 11:58:32

If you draw a line from point A to point B then only that line passes through A and B. If you try to turn the line then then it wont pass through both points unless it's in the exact same position which would therefore make it the same line.

#79 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Wish I don't have to go to school » 2014-06-20 11:20:37

chooipian if you're in the UK then you need 5 A to C's at GCSE level 2 or you wont be able to compete in the job market. It happened to me so i'm just giving you a heads up. Actually for some good apprenticeships you need 7 A to C's. If you want to do A level math then you need an A or A* for GCSE. You'll definitely want an A* for GCSE math, A-A* for science double or triple and B or higher for your English. The rest of the GCSE's don't matter but try and get the new computer science GCSE. This will help you increase your employment prospects.

As for learning, don't pay attention to your teachers. There are great resources online. Try to gather a group of likeminded individuals you can learn with. Cover the whole syllabus and go in to depth so you have a chance to get A*'s for the science, maths, english, computer science. Those are the staple subjects for the future. nothing else matters. Another language might help you.

DONT DROP OUT unless you can take 5-7 GCSE exams in the year that you would finish secondary school.

#80 Re: Help Me ! » What is useful to memorize? » 2014-06-09 09:19:17

bobbym wrote:

Hi PatternMan;
Rant:

I will tell you why I hate the modern school system. I do not know about other countries but they took the times table out of the learning process over here. Kids do not know what 7 x 6 is anymore. Can not subtract 17 from 20. The school board and the rest of the creatures that determine what will be and will not be taught said it was cruel to make a kid learn those things. Arithmetic is part of computation and computation they said was not math.

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/hysterical-laughter-smiley-emoticon.gif

Pardon that burst of laughter but I do not often get a chance to laugh at their conclusions.

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic … 78#p148978

End Rant:

I actually never learnt my timestables because I noticed shortcuts. I just realized that multiplication was just counting the number n amount of times, or repeated addition. Well you could call it the distributive property. Doubling is the 2 times table. 4 and 8 are double doubles or triple doubles. without memorizing timestables you can work the rest out only knowing addition and subtraction. 3 * table = double the number and add it to itself. 5* table ended up in memory without trying. 6 table = 5 table + 1. 9 = 10 table - 1. That only leaves the 7 and 8 times table which may take a bit longer. But yes it's better to memorize for the long run.

#81 Help Me ! » What is useful to memorize? » 2014-06-08 10:17:39

PatternMan
Replies: 27

So I have been going through a lot of  basic math I kind of already know and haven't been finding it ridiculously easy which it should be. I have been noticing some gaps in my knowledge when doing some problems too. For example I barely know my times tables to 10 and know my square numbers to 12. Cube numbers to 6. I was doing a multi - step problem which took me forever because I didn't realize these two, 3-4 digit numbers were cube numbers which could be factored out and then I would have the difference of two squares. Also I have found out things like prime factors in the denominator tell you whether you have a rational or irrational number. I'm just wondering what is useful to memorize now since I'm lacking.

I'm just wondering what it is I should memorize:
times tables up to what?
square and cube numbers upto what?
2^n ? 3^ ???]
divisibility rules
prime numbers upto what?
cumulative, commutative, associative laws
definitions?
proofs?
identities?

I'm not interested in calculus or any college mathematics yet. I just want to make sure I am mastering the basics.

#82 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 13:47:53

ShivamS wrote:

That's the problem. Forget the ISBN or cover - buy any book entitled Precalculus by Sullivan any edition.

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12124466956&searchurl=sts%3Dt%26amp%3Btn%3DPrecalculus%2Bby%2BSullivan

#83 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 13:27:58

link...? I checked .com but they don't seem to have the same cover and isbn so I don't know if it's the same.

#84 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 13:17:51

ShivamS wrote:

To be brutally honest, forget the idea of a math major. You need precalculus. You can get the books for 2 Euros on abebooks.com.

Why should I forget a maths major? Also the cheapest I can get it here is £43. I mean there are other books and online resources for precalculus right?

#85 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 12:59:23

I need to study English so I can pass the test. I need to do the school certificate as it's a requirement to get into higher education. Here we learn basic physics with just algebra. It covers concepts like kinematics which includes position, displacement, velocity, vectors. Plus other basic concepts like waves, optics, eletricity etc. To answer your two questions, yes I'll be going through it page by page, but no, I probably wont go through Algebra by Gelfand. I'll definitely go through Basic Mathematics & Geometry by Serge Lang. It also looks like I might not be able to afford that precalculus book even though it looks good.

#86 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 12:20:04

I'm on around 2-3 hours study a day comfortably. 1 hour in the morning, and 1 at night at least. By number theory I don't mean what you study at university. I mean basic things I missed in school like divisibility rules, checking if a number is prime etc. I'm teaching myself school English, school science: biology, chemistry and physics, but focusing mainly on physics. I have also been learning Python extremely slowly for a few months now. I'm also planning to go through logic at some point since it's closely related to all the sciences.

I am currently going through Geometry by Lang. At my current pace it will probably take 2 months to complete. I hope to speed up though. Basic Mathematics will arrive in a week or so. I'll go through those over the summer and hopefully finish them. If all goes well I'll be able to go through 1 a month at least. Also are you talking about this book?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRECALCULUS-/130736716461?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item1e7083faad

Also do I need Sulivans geometry book if I already have Serge langs?

#87 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 10:06:53

ShivamS wrote:

-you are not used to studying intensively (this is very common and I think it is one of your problems - you obviously haven't studied so hard in the past so it will take time to get used to it, but it will happen)

No I'm not. How do I get used to it?

ShivamS wrote:

-you want to solve math problems but don't want to learn the material for it (this applies to you but the biggest problem regarding this is that you decided not to do any problems. I suggest you learn math and do problems alongside it, even if it's only a few problems to save time)

I have been mainly focusing on the theory. In the mainstream books they don't define terms like:
line segment
ray
axiom/postulate
plane
theorom
proof

You just get a geometric sense of what they mean when they say these things in regular books. Actualy they don't use many of the terms and you don't really need to know what they mean. I really just remember the procedures and do them. I don't even really know the rules in of themselves. I just pick them up from doing the problems and seeing what works.

I am making sure I understand what the definitions in this book by thinking which concepts they stand on, and of non examples. Lang's Geometry builds up everything from scratch so it's fun. You get the basic definitions, basic axioms, then construct shapes, then do some problems, then some proofs. I already knew the formula and theoroms in the book but I did not understand it much. I didn't know the definitions, axioms, notation, or how anything was derived. Or even that this was Euclidian geometry and that there are others. It is tedious to focus on these definitions and practice memorizing them but I know it's for the best.

ShivamS wrote:

-you want to learn higher mathematics like calculus and are not interested in the prerequisites (this happened to me but after a while I enjoyed learning it)

It's not that I don't want to learn the pre-requisites, it's just the more advanced topics seem more exciting. I still really need to brush up on number theory more than anything.

ShivamS wrote:

Suggestions:
-keep trying
-start with less studying per day and then increasing it
-do some problems alongside, enough to remember the material and not to use up a lot of time
-increase your motivation by thinking that math is exciting, you will soon be learning calculus/differential equations etc, you will go to university etc

Don't worry - all of it goes away with time. The biggest mistake people make is that they face a few difficulties and they stop. Make sure you do not do that.

Good luck, I am sure you can do it!

I'm going to alternate between the fun and more tedious parts. Rewarding myself with some break and problems after studying the concepts should do the trick. Hopefully i'll end up doing it longer. The problem is I'm teaching myself some other things too which are all memory based since I don't really have the equipment to do them.

#88 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-24 09:15:29

bobbym wrote:

Today I had a 10 hour free day and only managed to push myself to study an hour at a time with several hours break in between.

If you have to push then it ain't gonna be fun.

It was fun to do it first thing in the morning. Then it was a bit of a struggle to get started on learning new content. Then near the end of the day I had less energy and had to force myself to get started. Starting is the hardest part.

#89 Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Problems with discipline » 2014-05-23 13:04:37

PatternMan
Replies: 37

Does anyone else have trouble with motivation? I currently have 3-10 hours free a day. I literally have 10 hours a day free 3 times a week do what I want. On the other days I usually have at least 3 free hours to do what I want. Despite all that time I have only been studying around 5 hours a week. Today I had a 10 hour free day and only managed to push myself to study an hour at a time with several hours break in between. I wonder what is wrong with me. If I'm going to jog, or solve maths problems then I may even be excited to do it beforehand. If I have to study and memorise then my body is reluctant to do it and resists at all costs. Getting started is the hardest parts. The thing is studying can be fun for an hour or so. I'm just averse to it and get tired after a while. Solving problems, Experimenting with what you know is much more fun and doesn't feel like work as much. With studying you need to focus which requires a lot of energy. Some people in university study 8 hour weekdays. I want to get to that level. How do people do it?

#90 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-22 08:47:41

Yes it's Serge Lang & Gene Murrow. Okay I will post here if I have any problems. The main problem is I want to make sure I have understood properly.

#91 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-22 05:07:35

I recieved my Geometry book today. The book puts most I have read to shame. It explains in a way that gives you a clear framework to conceptualize every concept. If I didn't have a shallow understanding already it would probably be a bit more different. My only qualm with it is that it doesn't have answers to the exercises.

#92 Re: Euler Avenue » Applications of mathematics » 2014-05-17 11:42:46

You can apply pure mathematics lol. You like to think it's all abstract and pure. The beauty of it is you can apply it to multiple areas.

#93 Euler Avenue » Applications of mathematics » 2014-05-17 10:56:05

PatternMan
Replies: 21

Mathematics is relied on by lots of fields. Without the basics of mathematics we wouldn't be able to quantify anything or do calculations. Science and many other fields depend on it. I know some applications of mathematics but only some. I would like people to state areas in which math is used and what math is used. Provide examples if you can please.

Geometry, ratio, proportions and percentages. is used constantly in construction. Plasterers, carpenters etc all use it.

#95 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-17 07:29:29

bobbym wrote:

I see about 550 trig questions there.

links? 
I see this
http://www.mathopolis.com/questions/champions.php

#96 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-17 07:12:37

bobbym wrote:

Hi;

Have you looked at Mathopolis, 8000+ questions there? Have you tried ganesh's threads, I do them every day?

Yes I wanted something like this. xD No trig there though.

#97 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-17 06:18:46

ShivamS wrote:

You will find thousands of interesting but difficult problems from contests on Art of Problem Solving and the books you ordered have many difficult problems to keep you busy.

I decided not to do the difficult problems yet. They can be intimidating since you really need mastery of a lot of the basics to understand them. I'm just learning the rules and methods first. Then I'll loop back on myself and go through more difficult problems. Also those books wont be arriving for a little while.

#98 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-16 06:46:59

Does anyone know of any websites with practice maths questions with solutions? I have a whiteboard I want to do problems on in fron of the pc.

#100 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Learning mathematics fast » 2014-05-13 06:27:47

I bought myself a whiteboard to do maths problems on. Now I can put my butt in front of a computer and do problems while being lazy and wipe clean.

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