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#501 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Global Warming- It's Happening! » 2007-06-11 14:17:03

The hotter it is, the worse mummals live. They are born to suit colder environment.

#502 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » How do you enjoy lemon? » 2007-06-11 14:14:19

How are your teeth, Ricky? roll

juggling balls, interesting. But tennis balls will do. Rind-a skipping rope, nice joke, hehe!

Any new ideas, guys or gals?? I heard it could be used in a dish or something, to make shrimp taste fresh etc.

#503 Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » How do you enjoy lemon? » 2007-06-11 02:51:02

George,Y
Replies: 16

Hey guys I've got a bunch of lemons but I've no idea besides squeezing them to juice.

What other ways can lemon be used? big_smile  PS: I'm not used to alchohol.

#504 Re: Help Me ! » Differentiation- gradients » 2007-06-11 02:47:27

Acctually the gradient concept is derived from the slope of a line.

#505 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-11 02:43:08

You're gonna stay in the box and play with the rules

and I'm gonna see if I can add some new paper waste to this world or not, dude wink

#506 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-10 01:14:00

Okay, I've got it. Reals are your last shelter. I will refute all of these stuffs soon (including Cantor Set), in paper ( to save my effort in a way).

But now I insist:
As long as it's within the conventional rationals range (only integers, rationals, Cauchy limit defination), the logic problem of 0.999... does holds.

In a way you are right: I am not most mathematicians- I am special.

#507 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-09 03:11:23

Ricky wrote:

Compared to older models of integers, rationals, or finite digits, the one of infinite digits is really logically weak. If you truely want to use it mikau, you have to tolerate contradictions.

You have never shown a contradiction, the only thing you have shown is "I don't like the standard definition of real numbers."

well, well, well, I really doubt your ability to comprehend or your memory.

0.999... been composed of values like 0.9, 0.09, ... from left to right, and infinitesimals from right to left. One sum, two natures of elements. Isn't this enough??

#508 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-09 00:44:43

Oh my!!
I've watched sun rise only 3 or 4 times.

#509 Re: Help Me ! » Check please » 2007-06-08 22:32:39

9/|m| instead of 9/m
|m|=√3/2 so m has two possibilities.

#510 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 21:51:33

Luca-deltodesco, the real divergency lies in whether the space and time is continuous. If it fails to be so, infinitesimal or accuracy aquired by infinite digits(infiniteth digit) has no use and is apparently false.

Hey guys, where are you now?
It's supposed to be early morning in US

You got up at 6:30??

#511 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Wave energy canoe, plausible? » 2007-06-08 18:30:35

Perhaps a link will better explain what you are trying to tell us, LQ.

#512 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 18:26:52

Compared to older models of integers, rationals, or finite digits, the one of infinite digits is really logically weak. If you truely want to use it mikau, you have to tolerate contradictions. dunno

#513 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 18:11:08

0.999... is very self delusive because it hides real infinity inside elipses and stops investigation on the final digit.

Because mathematicians hate to have x=∞ and don't admit ∞ as a real, I perceive they already know infinitething is no good.

However they keep using ∞ in infinite digits and in variables "going" ∞ so as to get "accurate results" as 0.999...=1 case. And that's cheating in a way.

Reference celebrity:

Father Berkeley,
a guy who debated whether dt=0 or not in the spontaneous speed (v=ds/dt) of accerlerating linear movement. He debated against Newton. The argument was that dt is a ghost, can be 0 and non 0 at the same time. (v=ds/dt dt≠0; ds/dt=[k(t+dt)[sup]2[/sup] -kt[sup]2[/sup]]/dt=2kt+k[sup]2[/sup]dt dt=0) The same ghost arguement applies to 1-0.999... as well- really nothing new.

#514 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 17:54:27

No, I say real infinity has no reason to exist, as most mathematicians agree (they actually avoid equating it in standard maths). In that way 0.999... can only have finite 9's.

However if you say something just happens without a reason like quantic physics. You would like to use 1/10^inf=0  when you need to say 0.999...=1 and 1/10^inf≠0 when 0.999...infinite structure need to be preserved- It can be 0 and non0 alternatively, undefinately, by chance, chaotically. Then I admit this kind of reasoning. But I keep the counter-case: non0 in 0.999...=1 case, 0 in structure occasion. This case has the same reason to exist, however. And then 0.999...=1 cannot be solid.

#515 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 17:35:26

10*0.999... is also a good false proof discussed in the first or the second page of this thread.

#516 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 17:25:46

having refuted flexible infinity as well

"sure! But I think the contrary arguments are saying that its not equal to the limit, its just equal to itself. x_x"
Great, you have got there mikau!! That's the point!! Defining somewhere a series approaches as the series itself or some mixed other series is the whole trick of the defination of Reals. That's what I called the "approaching pretending to be being" problem long ago.

Where are you going to?
-I am walking on the road.

#517 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 17:16:08

That's why I have gotten so tired of this kinda of forum debate:

Because you have to redebate over and over again.

I am in the middle of being tired in debates and being regarded as a fool by someone who hasn't reviewed history yet.

Hey guys!
Can you help me out of this??

#518 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 17:11:28

Okay, I think you two guys have an understanding problem and a memory problem.

Not refuted?

Post 513

I have clearly discussed the Only 3 ways to get a 0.999... with Infinite Digits.

So actually I have done defining the infinite amount implicitly.

On the term of infinity, my defination is always the same: The infinite amount is the amount larger than any amount that can be expressed as a clear number. This has been shown in my apple pile example-Ricky you should have known this if your memory is not that poor.

#519 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-06-08 15:38:48

mikau wrote:

However, Anthony R. Brown insists that infinity + 1 is greater than infinity, so its not really worth arguing with him.

Then what do you think of infinity, mikau? A docile, flexible amount rather than a static one?
Sorry but I've refuted this kinda of infinite 9's many posts before.

#520 Re: Help Me ! » logic countting and everythign else » 2007-06-07 14:48:39

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...R (400 R's)

#522 Re: Dark Discussions at Cafe Infinity » Biology » 2007-06-05 22:35:00

Biology is of course hard. But it's hard to everyone so don't give up. roll

#525 Re: Help Me ! » Integration » 2007-06-05 17:45:38

Hint
f(x) passes (-a,0) (a,0) and (0,a[sup]2[/sup])

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