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When I can I'l post a higher dimensional analog.:D
I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means (my maths knowledge is only Year 4 high school level ). You'd have to keep it pretty simple for me to understand it, or include some explanations of any advanced concepts.
I didn't know how to prove my formula but was interested to see if it worked for all cases. So I manually tested the first 30 groups...and found a flaw if L was 1 less than a triangular number. However, I worked out how to fix that and have amended my formula in the other post. I also tested 4 groups within the 60 to 80 range...successfully.
Only groups {1,2}, {1,2,3} and {1,2,3,4} now fail, but I guess that those numbers are too low for the formula to handle.
The new formula is a bit simpler, which is nice.
Hi wintersolstice,
I think I've worked out a formula for solving medium-level problems that commence with "1":
Hi wintersolstice,
Here's how I tackled a shorter example of a medium-level problem:-
Problem: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
Solution: 7 (chains 1,2,4)...ooo1ooooo2oooooo2ooooooo4oooooooo4ooooooooo4oooooooooo4
I've only just started to have a look at your puzzle and haven't got any further than this with it.
Btw, a 1-linked 'chain' isn't really a chain - but that's just being picky.
"generals"
Hi, soroban!
Thanks...all that took a bit of doing, as there's so much written about it on the net and I sifted through it as best I could. I enjoyed reading the various attempts on forums at 'simple' explanations!
I liked yours and wouldn't have bothered to post mine if I hadn't done so much work on it already.
Btw, I changed my post a bit since your post for some additional 'clarification' and to remove some duplication (I took so long to sort my thoughts out about it that our posts crossed).
Following on from soroban's good explanation of Jane's "12/13 people" illusion, here's an informative link I found today on the internet. It has some helpful illustrations:-
http://www.laurenceholbrook.com/main_00000e.htm
I also found these two illustrations.
The colour coding makes it a bit(!) clearer (I think ) to understand the illusion.
What's happening is that each person, in turn, gives an ever-increasing-height portion of their body to the next person, and after doing that with all 12 people you end up with a whole extra person.
They swap the body portion that they receive for that same portion from their own body, and give the rejected portion, combined with a further slice (about one 12th their height) from below that portion, to the next person.
The fractions are approximate, varying from person to person for best visual effect.
The process begins with the dark blue person (#1) at bottom left, who gives his hair to person #8, who gives his forehead and hair to #4, who gives the potion above the middle of his nose to #11, who gives his whole head to #6, who gives his shoulders and head to #2...and so on.
In the 13-person group you can see that all the donors have shrunk by about one 12th their original height, but the changes are subtle enough, and the figures are drawn roughly enough, for us not to notice what is really going on.
The puzzle's creator cleverly mixed up the order of the people to hide what he did.
1. Impossible dice - 'stacked'!
2. Impossible figure - shows what one can do with a set square that has a hidden corner.
3. Impossible triangle. Even though the mirror image of the triangle's actual construction is shown in the mirror behind it, I find it just about impossible to break the illusion - only sometimes, barely, fleetingly! My mind insists on putting the piece with "ORIGINEEL" printed on it onto the top of the vertical piece, even though it knows it's laying on the floor!
4. Another parallel lines illusion...along the 'lines' of soroban's good one. Yes - they're vertical, straight, parallel lines!
Yes, see,
Oh...I see!!?! At least, I hope that my vision will return after I can uncross my eyes again!
Your explanation is quite in keeping with how that fella in your signature defines mathematics...and also seems to follow Berry's Paradox.
This Wikipedia article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berry_paradox - begins by saying:
The Berry paradox is a self-referential paradox arising from the expression "the smallest possible integer not definable by a given number of words." Bertrand Russell, the first to discuss the paradox in print, attributed it to G. G. Berry (1867-1928).
All too much for my little brain!
But the answer to Q4. is .
No point in asking for an example of one, then.
But could you explain your answer for me, Ubergeek?
This is THE most baffling optical illusion I've ever seen!
My brain absolutely refuses to see this unaided...that the shading on squares A and B is identical!!
Try these simple proofs...you'll be amazed!! :-
Copy the image (the full one, not the thumbnail) and paste it into MS Paint.
1.
- Use either the "Select" or "Free-Form Select" tool to select a portion of square B, making sure your selection stays within the square's boundaries.
- Move the selection to the white area (holding down CTRL while you move it copies the selection instead of removing that area from the canvas).
- Do the same with square A and place it next to square B.
- Compare the two shades!
2.
- Paste the image into MS Paint again.
- Choose the "Pick Color" tool, left-click on square B to select the colour, select the "Fill With Color" tool and left-click somewhere in the white area...which then changes completely to square B's colour.
- Repeat 1...and squares A & B disappear into the filled area, leaving just the two dark letters visible there!
3.
- Instead of moving the squares off the checker board just select a portion of square B and move it onto square A.
- Watch B's shade appear to change along the way!! (works the other way round too...moving A onto B).
4.
- Select a portion of square B, delete it (which should leave a blank, white patch), use the "Pick Color" tool on square A and fill B's white patch...with the 'different' shade!
letter-perfect
You left out "therapy", quittyqat.
Once everything goes, suddenly you understand dreams, surreal life energy, youth's surprisingly-yobbish, heartache-evoking, gestalt therapy yackety-yack
I solved Q2 & Q3, but not Q4.
However, googling for Q4 dug up something that looks related, but I had to give up on trying to understand the 'explanation' when I began to see stars and I heard "tweet, tweet".
I enjoy doing cross-number puzzles...& here's one of my favourites.
No advanced maths required - just basic arithmetic. Needs lots of logic.
Enjoy!
yackety-yack
Here's a great logic puzzle that I found on the internet...where it's widely discussed. It took me some time to work out what on earth the author was driving at - and considerably longer to solve it.
This photo may help to throw some light on the concept of self-referentialism:-
Yes...I like this kind of puzzle too. Can't always get them because of their devious construction, but they're a fun challenge!
I'd made a similar "sums" list of the combinations of the factors of 36, which revealed the "13"-duplication and thus answered the second clue. However, I wasn't sure that "oldest" necessarily ruled out 1,6,6...until I looked at it more mathematically: ie, that 6=6, clearly leaving 2,2,9 as the intended answer.
I got the same answer as Bobby. Nice logic...took me a while to spot.
therapy
-evoking
Once everything goes, suddenly you understand dreams, surreal life energy, youth's surprisingly-yobbish, heartache-evoking
"submit" doesn't seem to fit, l-d (maybe your post crossed with MathsIsFun's?)...so I think I'll just continue on from "surprisingly":-
-yobbish
Once everything goes, suddenly you understand dreams, surreal life energy, youth's surprisingly-yobbish...
youth's
surreal
Bobby, I think your word should have started with "d", which is the last letter of the last word.
I wonder if there's one such word that retains MathsIsFun's "wonderful".
understand
(Once everything goes, suddenly you understand... )