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#301 Re: Help Me ! » Why πr^2? » 2024-07-04 20:18:22

Bob

hi paulb203

It looked to me like this should be 'provable' using algebra but I've come unstuck with it.  I don't think I'm properly following what you're suggesting.

If a square has side 'a' then the 'diameter' = a and so the 'radius' = a/2 and the perimeter = 4a

sqi = the ratio of the ‘diameter’ of the square to the square’s ‘circumference’

So the ratio of diameter/circumference = a/4a = 1/4.  Ah! Think I've just spotted what to do.

Ratio of circumference/diameter = 4

Then 'area' = 4 x (a/2)^2 = 4 (a^2)/4 = a^2

Bob

#302 Re: Help Me ! » Linear Equation Real Life Example » 2024-07-02 23:12:18

Bob

Can all linear equations be rearranged to the gradient-intercept form?

Yes.  Just make y the subject of the equation.  If you're not sure how to do that here's a step by step.

1)  Multiply out all brackets and multiply by the lowest common denominator to eliminate any fractions.

2) Move terms about so that all the y containing terms are on the left and  everything else is on the right.

3) If there's more than one y term, factorise it out so you have y(......) on the left.

4) Divide by the bracket from the line above so that y is on its own.

eg.

2x/3 + 4(x+y) = x - y + 5

1) clear that bracket and times all by 3

2x + 12x + 12y = 3x - 3y + 15

2) move terms

12y + 3y = 3x - 12x - 2x + 15

3) factorise the y. In this case we can do a lot of simplifying as well.

y(12+ 3) = 15y = -11x + 15

4) y = -11x/15 + 1

Bob

check put x = 15 in the final line so y = -11 + 1 = -10

Substitute these values into what we had at the beginning. If it works then I've probably not made an error.

LHS = 10 + 4 times (15-10) = 10 + 4 times 5 = 30

RHS = 15 --10 +5 = 15 + 10 + 5 = 30

This method of checking can be very useful. The rules of algebra are the same as the rules for numbers so if you choose some numbers to fit an equation at one stage in the working, those same numbers should 'fit' at every line in the working.  If they don't you've found an error with your working.

#303 Re: Help Me ! » Area of plane shapes » 2024-07-01 04:54:44

Bob

I got that too, at first. Then I re-read the question!

outside diameter=8m and inside diameter=6m.

The area formula needs the radius not the diameter. So you have to half the numbers given.  Here's another way to think about it.

Take that 8m circle.  You could box it in with a 8m by 8m square and that would have an area of 8x8 = 64.  So the answer must be a lot less than that.

Bob

#304 Re: Help Me ! » Area of plane shapes » 2024-07-01 00:50:06

Bob

The forumula for the area of a circle, radius r is

We are told diameters so we need to divide by 2 to get the right radius.  ie 4 and 3

If a ring is a circle with a hole in it you can get the area of the ring by calculating the area of the big circle and subtracting the area of the inside hole.

You're told to take pi as 22/7 which suggests to me there's a simplification in the working involving cancelling that 7.  Let's see:

pi is a common factor so you can do the subtraction and times the answer by pi

Bob

ps.  This example uses substitution into a formula, factorising and cancelling fractions.  Would you like some easier examples of any of these?

#305 Re: Introductions » Dombo from the dutch » 2024-06-30 04:50:19

Bob

hi Dombo,

Welcome to the forum.

If you need help then you're at the right place.

What's the problem?

Bob

#307 Re: Help Me ! » Linear graphs (skewed) » 2024-06-29 00:01:31

Bob

When you're learning about y = mx + c it's a big help to have equal scales but there going to come a time when you have to deviate from this.

eg y = 1000x + 100.

The MIF function grapher has equal scales.

My ideal would default to equal scales but give the user the option so rescale each axis.

Bob

#308 Re: Help Me ! » Tethered Goat Problem » 2024-06-27 20:03:56

Bob

It happens to us all. I wasted a large chunk of an exam trying to eliminate a variable and failing.  Afterwards I spoke to a friend who had done it with one simple thing that I'd missed. Ggggrrr!

Bob

#309 Re: Exercises » How can i learn math? » 2024-06-27 20:01:19

Bob

hi Irene

Algebra is a vast topic, so it's hard for me to know where to begin.

Please give me an example of something you're stuck on?

Bob

#310 Re: Help Me ! » Tethered Goat Problem » 2024-06-27 00:33:42

Bob

I've found time to look at the video.  The measurements are different from the problem I met years ago and the working comes out more easily, so I thought it would be simplest to make a new picture.

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If the barn wasn't there then the goat could reach all the grass inside a circle radius 10, so (pi times 10 times 10) in area.

But the barn gets in the way of the rope and there's no grass to eat inside the barn anyway. The orange area is the bit that the goat can reach without any rope snagging problems.  Hence 3/4 x pi x 10 squared.

When the goat is on the line AD produced, the point D acts as a new tether point with new radius 10 - 7.  Once again the goat cannot reach the whole of the new circle; only 1/4 of a circle radius 3.

Similarly when the goat is on the line AB produced the point B cats as a new tether point with new radius 10 - 9.  So the extra area here is 1/4 of a circle radius 1.

I agree with the video answer.

Bob

#311 Re: Help Me ! » Estimation » 2024-06-27 00:01:28

Bob

If I've got to do this without a calculator then I'd do some carefully chosen rounding to make the sums easy.  But if I'm allowed then I'd always prefer to keep to the exact values until the end and only then round off.

365 x 24 x 60 x 60 / 43 is 733395.349 so the 'book' answer of 720000 is pretty good. I'd say 600000 to 800000 is reasonable.

Bob

#312 Re: Exercises » How can i learn math? » 2024-06-26 19:24:56

Bob

Ok. So try one here. smile

Bob

#313 Re: Help Me ! » Tethered Goat Problem » 2024-06-26 19:24:11

Bob

I've got a busy day so I won't be able to respond properly for a while.  A version of the tethered goat problem came up on the forum in 2015 and I made a series of pictures to show what's going on.  You won't find it in a search because this feature doesn't go back before the forum upgrade.

But you can find it by searching my posts.  Click on my name and then on show all posts.  There's a lot but you can home in on the right date.  I think my pictures are clearer than the ones on the vid.

The basic idea is that the goat can reach grass using the full extent of the rope until the rope catches a corner of the barn.  Then the available radius is reduced by the length of the side of the barn.

The measurements may be new. I'll try to look again tomorrow.

Bob

#314 Re: Help Me ! » Estimation » 2024-06-26 04:28:02

Bob

It sounds like you have to find out how many seconds in that year (not a leap year) and divide by 43.

But you also have to consider what variance there might be in making that assessment.  I'd certainly want to round off my answer ... decimal place figures after the point would have no meaning ... but even the whole number answer probably needs rounding further.  So two people could get different answers as a result of different amounts of rounding I suppose.  But all answers should be in the same ball park.  Someone must have known the total in order to get the 'every 43 seconds' claim.

Bob

#315 Re: Exercises » How can i learn math? » 2024-06-26 03:34:20

Bob

When trying to teach tricky areas of maths I like to spend time looking at examples (easy at first and getting more advanced as the student progresses)  Let's give it a try.  Post a topic you're finding tough.

Bob

#316 Re: Help Me ! » Mean, median, mode » 2024-06-25 00:17:18

Bob

"Mark ran a mean distance of 13.2km in 5 days"
Is this badly worded?

Yes! I'm assuming it means he ran  a total of T km in 5 days and his mean daily distance was 13.2 km. Work out T.

Without the word 'daily' it could mean all sorts of things.  Maybe that's his hourly rate!  (OK that's unlikely for a runner but math questions need to be worded clearly.)

Maybe the terrain was very rough and the temperature very hot and so the questioner thought it was mean for the organisers to set such a challenge.

Bob

#317 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Password recovery is not working. » 2024-06-23 05:08:11

Bob

Yes. I'll ask my PA, Matilda, to send you an email.

Bob

#318 Re: Maths Is Fun - Suggestions and Comments » Password recovery is not working. » 2024-06-22 23:18:47

Bob

hi locallycompact

Welcome to the forum.

Whoops, it looks like you are right.  I tried this on a dummy account and got no email.  I can do some things as an administrator but not fix that. Sorry.

Do you have another username that you want to resurrect?  I can probably fix that for you. Tell me the old membership name and I'll see what I can do. I will have to be convinced that you're not trying to steal someone else's account of course. smile

Bob

#319 Re: Help Me ! » Systematic Listing / Product Rule for Counting » 2024-06-22 23:12:12

Bob

If the probability of event A is a, and event B is b then the probability of both occurring is a times b unless one event occurring effects and changes the probability for the other.

As the coin flips are independent it's 1/2 every time hence 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2.

If the events are not independent then you have take account of the change in probability.

eg what's the probability of drawing two aces from a pack of 52 cards.

Drawing the first ace has probability 4/52 or 1/13.  But now there are only 51 cards amnd 3 aces so the probability of drawing another ace is 3/51 or 1/17

So to get two multipliy these probs to get 1/13 x 1/17 = 1/221  Note you still have to multiply the Ps.

Bob

#320 Re: Help Me ! » Any Advice,Friends? » 2024-06-18 21:13:28

Bob

hi Chenfeng Liu

Welcome to the forum.

Also you may post questions here for help.

Bob

#321 Re: Help Me ! » L.C. Denominator for several values » 2024-06-18 21:11:03

Bob

hi woodturner550

7/16 + 3/10 = 21/160

note. LCM of 16 and 10 is 80.

Bob

#322 Re: Help Me ! » L.C. Denominator for several values » 2024-06-17 19:46:03

Bob

I tried googling that quote again and most hits attribute it to Galileo but a similar one  "I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think" is attributed to Socrates.  I think you're right.  Galileo would have read Socrates and the two quotes are very similar especially when you take account of translation variations.

A modern version is "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

You can also use the method to find the highest common factor.

eg. Find the HCF of 45 and 72

45 =                 3 x 3 x 5
72 = 2 x 2 x 2 x 3 x 3

This time extract all the primes that occur in both.  So 3 x 3

If you create a Venn diagram with all the primes and each circle enclosing those for one of the  numbers then the lowest common multiple (LCM) is the union of the sets and the HCF is the intersection.

Bob

#323 Re: Help Me ! » Subtracting in Columns » 2024-06-16 19:35:47

Bob

I don't think young children would understand what is going on.  It's very abstract and learning starts with 'concrete' experiences.  eg. Children learn to count by counting objects.  They learn about subtraction by having some objects (eg. beads) and taking some away.

One problem with people with deductive logic understanding, they are harder to lead.

Isn't that a good thing rather than a problem.

Bob

#324 Re: Help Me ! » L.C. Denominator for several values » 2024-06-16 19:26:43

Bob

1/3  2/9  1/4  3/16  3/10

Reduce each demoninator to its prime factors

3 = 3
9 = 3x3
4 = 2x2
16 = 2x2x2x2
10 = 2x5

Write the largest power of each prime and multiply them

(2x2x2x2) x (3x3) x 5

That's the only way to make sure that 16 and 9 go into it.

Bob

#325 Re: Help Me ! » PEMDAS etc » 2024-06-16 19:19:42

Bob

8÷2(2+2)=?

Not 8÷(2(2+2))=?

So I think there's only one interpretation.

Do the bracket first 8÷2(4)=?

Put in the missing multiplication sign

8÷2x4

Then evaluate in order

4 x 4 = 16

Wolfram Alpha agrees with this.

Bob
ps. rules such as PEMDAS, BODMAS etc are unclear that multiplication and division have equal status.

So 21 x 3 ÷ 7 and 21 ÷ 7 x 3 are the same.

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