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To mathsyperson
This is the Sister thread! the other one got no response! lets keep it fare!
A.R.B
To Maelwys
Quote:
" There you go on about the "single value" again, which I still don't understand or recognize as any valid math theory. I really have no idea what this last sentence of yours means (or should I say sentences, since there seems to be punctuation randomly in the middle of it). "
A.R.B
The most important thing to do with any Argument! is knowing where the Numbers have come from! and how they are made!
To Maelwys
Quote:
"Lost me here. How do you conclude that the answer will be less than 1, based on a previous calculation you did? My logic tells me that it's equal to 1. My calculator tells me that it's equal to 1. It seems to me like it should be equal to 1. Why isn't it?"
A.R.B
Because we are Calculating an Infinite Number!! and Calculators Round the Number up!!
Lets look at the Start again!
Infinite 0.9 "one Decimal place " x 1.1 = 0.99
Infinite 0.9" two Decimal place's " x 1.11 = 0.999
No matter how many times we Calculate the 1.1 " Decimal place's " " it is always less than 1
The reason being the .1 at the end of the Multiplied Value it starts with!! the Decimal point Value Difference! and because the Number is being Multiplied Infinitely will always be there!
The only way it can disappear! is by using an Algebra sign! or even the INT function
To Maelwys
Quote:
" Alright, here's a different one. 1/3 * 3 = 0.999... 1/3 = 0.333... * 3 = 0.999... Agreed? "
A.R.B
Firstly using fractions is not accurate! you cant get a true 1/3 Decimal Value!
i.e give me 3 Single Decimal Values of equal Value! that equal 1
Allowing for your mistake! you are now agreeing with me! that your version of Infinite 0.9 has come from the single Value of 0.333... x 3
But just as I said! from the first Decimal point onwards when there is a total Value of 0.9 this is the first single value for your version of Infinite 0.9
To luca-deltodesco
Quote:
" think of it logically, if you divide by a number, then multiply by the same number, nothing will change, "
A.R.B
Now that's what I was waiting for!!
1 is divided by 0.9 = 1.111....." this proves 0.9 is less than 1 "
i'm now going to mutiply it so nothing will change!
0.9 x 1.111.... " will always equal a Value less than 1 " because 0.9 was divided within a greater Value! that Value being 1
To Maelwys
Quot: " Umm... read the first line of my reply above "
A.R.B
You obviously cant think for yourself! don't copy my examples! put something forward yourself! or are you afraid of it being ripped to pieces! by me showing you any Infinite Number Starts from a Single Value!
To
luca-deltodesco
A.R.B
" I thought not!!
A = 1
B = 0.9
A/B x B
1 / 0.9 = 1.111... x ( any Number you like! ) and it will always be 1.111... times the original Value! " Notice the Decimal point! it's very important!! "
To
luca-deltodesco
A.R.B
can you read?
To Maelwys
A.R.B
Better than that!! Answer my Main Question for once!
" NOW YOU HAVE TO SHOW AS AN ARGUMENT! WHERE YOUR VERSION OF INFINITE 0.9 COMES FROM! AND I WANT TO SEE THE MATH!! "
To Maelwys
I have answered you! just stick to what is in my Formula! and stop using other examples!
To Maelwys
Quote:
"That formula is clearly wrong though. Now you're trying to prove that 0.9 = 0.999...? In what world can B = A/B * B?"
A.R.B
It's very clear! a Child could understand this Calculation!!
A = 1 " " A.R.B = " " A = 1 "
B = 0.9 " Single Start Value For 0.9 " " A.R.B = " " B = 0.9 "
B = ( A/B ) x B " Infinite 0.9 Value " " A.R.B = " " B = 1/0.9 x 1.111... "
As clear! as clear! can be!! Infinite 0.9 starts as 0.9 It then shows how it is/becomes Infinite!
I am afraid you have no argument! if you think you can just pluck a Value out of the sky! and call it an Infinite Number!
NOW YOU HAVE TO SHOW AS AN ARGUMENT! WHERE YOUR VERSION OF INFINITE 0.9 COMES FROM! AND I WANT TO SEE THE MATH!!
A.R.B
To Dross!
Quote: " Erm... how about 2.2222...? "
A.R.B
2.2222...? Starts > 1 and <> 1
To Maelwys
Just for you ONLY! everyone else understands!!....................................................................
A = 1
B = 0.9 " Single Start Value For 0.9 "
B = ( A/B ) x B " Infinite 0.9 Value "
To Maelwys
Quot: " B isn't being infinitely multiplied by 1.1 as far as I can see... "
A.RB
you always cant see very far!!
from my Formula
C ( A/B ) x B " Infinite 0.9 Value " ( = C ) using another variable! makes things clearer! it can also be wrote as " B is being infinitely multiplied by 1.1 "
Is Memory a real sign of Intelligent's?
A.R.B
To Maelwys
Quote:
" your belief that 0.999... starts <1, which it doesn't. "
in my Formula below B Starts as 0.9 and is < 1 everyone has agreed! it becomes Infinite 0.999...as C
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INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 PROOF : FORMULA : By,Anthony.R.Brown,12/02/07
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A = 1 " Single Start Value For 1 "
B = 0.9 " Single Start Value For 0.9 "
C ( A/B ) x B " Infinite 0.9 Value "
D ( A - C ) " Infinite < 1 Value "
C <> ( C + D ) " INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 "
To
Zhylliolom
Quote:
" why would A/B × B ≠ A? "
Because B is being Infinitely Multiplied by 1.1 which is .1 > 1
If the Number 1 was also Infinitely Multiplied by 1.1 it would again be greater than B
Thus Proving! a Number that starts with a Greater Value! and is Multiplied by the Same amount! will always be greater than another Number! that starts with a Lower Value!!
p.s Multiplying by Zero! is not possible!! because Zero! is not actually able to Multiply!!
To Maelwys
Quot:
"I'm not sure I see your logic here... just because 1 < 9, 2 < 9, 3 < 9, 4 < 9, 5 < 9, 6 < 9, 7 < 9, 8 < 9, doesn't mean 9 < 9... you can't just create an arbitrary logic pattern and assume that it continues. Sorry, you need better logic than that. "
A.R.B
All you have to do!! is show a Number that Starts < 1 and <> 1 that is Recurring!
and is! or somehow becomes! > or = 1 and yet still conforms to the Definition Recurring!!
then you have won! the Argument! I'm Sure we will all have a long! long! Wait!......................
A.R.B
Quot:
" You thougth I wasn't mortal? "
A.R.B
More like mortality!
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INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 PROOF : THE INFINITE 10 % PERCENT DIFFERENCE 03/03/07
by Anthony.R.Brown.
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One of the most Accurate and sound ways to prove Infinite 0.9 <> 1 is to give the Infinite Percent Difference Values from the Start Onwards!
The example below is for the first Ten Decimal Place's,which clearly shows the count increasing as more and more Infinite .9's are looked at! But remain a constant Difference of 10% in relation to how far the example has traveled.
Count = ...... ( 1 ).....( 2 )....( 3 )...( 4 )....( 5 )...( 6 )....( 7 )....( 8 )....( 9 ).....( 10 )
Infinite 10 %
Difference =..(10%).(10%).(10%).(10%).(10%).(10%).(10%).(10%).(10%)...(10%)
Infinite 0.9 = ( 0.9 ) ( 1.8 ) ( 2.7 ) ( 3.6 ) ( 4.5 ) ( 5.4 ) ( 6.3 ) ( 7.2 ) ( 8.1 ) ( 9 )
................... ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) ( x 3 ) ( x 4 ) ( x 5 ) ( x 6 ) ( x 7 ) ( x 8 ) ( x 9 ) ( x 10 )
Infinite 0.9 Onwards! there will always be a 10 % Difference making it Impossible for Infinite 0.9 to ever = 1
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RECURRING DEFINITION PROOF 03/03/07 by Anthony.R.Brown.
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The Definition for Recurring is given below..............................................................................
A Number that repeats itself Endlessly! Continuously repeating the same Number!
Below are examples of Recurring Numbers! They are of course Endless! Length is example only!
Recurring ( 0.1 ) = .111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
Recurring ( 0.2 ) = .222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222222
Recurring ( 0.3 ) = .333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
Recurring ( 0.4 ) = .444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444444
Recurring ( 0.5 ) = .555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555
Recurring ( 0.6 ) = .666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
Recurring ( 0.7 ) = .777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777
Recurring ( 0.8 ) = .888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888
Recurring ( 0.9 ) = .999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
The above examples are shown to be True! in the Calculations below! According to the Definition for Recurring!
( 0.1 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.2 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.3 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.4 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.5 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.6 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.7 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.8 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
( 0.9 ) Recurring < 1 and <> 1
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Qote:"
It's not the value of 0.999... he has, it's 0.0999... move the decimal place one to the right... it happens to equal 0.1, and that added to 1 is 1.1."
A.R.B
0.999... the .9's never end!!
0.099... THE .9's never end!!
Quote:
" it doesn't make sense. "
A.R.B
Talk to a Philosopher about the Question? they may then be able to explain to you Why it makes sense!!
Quote:
" because as I said above, 1.0999... = 1.1 "
A.R.B
Ok let's seperate your answer above!
we have the Value 1 above
and we have the Value 0.999... above
you say 1 = 1
you say 0.999... also = 1
so 1 + 1 must = 2
Quote:
" C = A/B×B = A = 1
0.999... = 1
D = A-C = A-A/B×B = A-A = 0 "
A.R.B
C = ( A/B ) = ( Infinite 1.111...) x ( 0.9 ) = ( Infinite 0.999...)
0.999... <> 1 Because of an Infinite Difference of ( 0.001... )
D = 1 - ( Infinite 0.999...) = Infinite Difference of ( 0.001... )
proof credited.
Last edited by Anthony.R.Brown (Today.. )