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**zetafunc.****Guest**

You have not finished it?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Nope. It is very tough and weird.

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**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Challenge accepted.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Good luck, if you do you can explain it to me.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I got only to the first fifth of the third chapter, plus the really useful bit on snake oil method.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Snake oil method? Well that's a phrase I never thought I'd hear in a mathematical context...!

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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My brother is a big fan of his snake oil method. There is useful stuff on asymptotics or maybe I am thinking of A=B.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi zf.

That part is really easy to understand, and is very useful.

Hi bobbym

Yes, there are asymptotics in both the gfology and A=B. And both talk about the WZ method. It seems cool, but I haven't tried it yet...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Well that's a phrase I never thought I'd hear in a mathematical context...!

The way an experimental mathematician like Herbie worked is well described by that.

And both talk about the WZ method. It seems cool, but I haven't tried it yet...

That is the meat of their idea.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

For A=B I'm sure it is. Not as much for gfology.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The definitively good book on gf's has not been written yet. After the Tucker book you have to scrounge around for additional ideas.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Phew, 2 exams down, 7 to go...

There are huge complaints about the C3 exam (a pure maths exam over here) because it was leaked, but I don't think the amount of complaining is justifiable...

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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How did you do?

Because it was leaked?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I thought I did well, but you never know...

Well, people are making false claims that the paper was unreasonably hard, or contained material not on the syllabus, and over 10,000 people have complained. But Edexcel issued a replacement paper (for emergencies such as these) and had the students sit that one instead. But I feel that there was nothing wrong with the replacement, and people are simply using the fact that the original paper was leaked to as an excuse for their poor performance (and so, they're claiming it was impossible or whatever). Google "Missing exam paper sparks re-sit row" and click the article from BBC News.

Having done the paper (I found a copy online), it just seems like a standard paper with some parts slightly trickier than usual, but I just can't see how the whining is justifiable.

Still, I think it's really stupid that they leak the papers 2 years in a row.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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As long as it did not bother you... Let them whine and whine some more.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

The whining is irritating though, they are acting like it is the end of the world... with all due respect to them, that is just what happens if you only prepare for an easy paper.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I agree, listening to the crying makes my back hurt even more. There was a guy on another forum crying over the beatings he got when he was 8. He is 50 now and still sobbing. Turns out he got smacked on the knuckles with a thin ruler and he calls that a beating?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Isn't that a bit different? A thin metal ruler could probably cut...

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, I am sure he is cut and probably he can not play the piano and wants to sue for 450 million dollars.

I know it is not the same as what you were saying.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I hate to admit it but the education reformists must be loving this...

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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What do they want to reform? The system? The test? The students? The teachers? The cuisine?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

The reforming has already started. Currently, 47% of students here achieve an A in A-level Maths, and there is evidence to suggest that the exams have been getting easier (grade inflation). So Michael Gove, the secretary of state for education, has banned exams from being taken in January, and also wants to stop students from being able to re-sit a paper. He is aiming to do away with the modular system, and lump everything into one final exam at the end of 2 years (like how it used to be).

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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So he seeks to have less people get an A? This jumping up and down on standards is also unfair. Plenty of people here complain that if they would have taken their tests 3 years ago or 3 years hence they would do much better. This is due to the seesawing of testing. One guy gets in and thinks it is too tough, the next it is too soft.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Yes -- I am in favour of some of his 'reforms' but I am still fundamentally against the implementation, which is the reason he is disliked. We haven't had such big changes in about 30 years -- GCSEs are being replaced now!!

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Do you think that system has produced high quality people?

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