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#10876 2013-05-14 07:37:23

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

I was about to cringe until my supervisor said "well, I don't know whether I should give you 49/50, or 50/50". Obviously I was over the moon when he said that!

But, there is a problem. The centre co-ordinator, who doesn't like me for some reason, has to mark it too, and he decides the final moderated mark. I'm hoping he doesn't give me a bad score because of it. Of course, the examiners then mark it externally, but 95% of the time the mark doesn't change when it gets sent off (unless there is an issue of plagiarism or something).

I'm a little worried that I may have accidentally plagiarised an uncited phrase somewhere or something as that would be bad... if I did then I could be disqualified from all my exams.

#10877 2013-05-14 07:39:01

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Was it an accident or did you do it intentionally?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10878 2013-05-14 07:45:26

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

To my knowledge, I don't think I've plagiarised anything from a skim-read. If there were any quotes from books or articles I named the source, but I could have overlooked something.

I did declare the two Wiki articles, and two of the books I used in my production log though (there's a bit asking you to declare any sources not clearly acknowledged in the work) so I named the ones that I most likely accidentally plagiarised from. But if I did, then I definitely did not do it intentionally.

Then again there are 50 sources in it, I'd be surprised if they checked them all...

#10879 2013-05-14 07:48:57

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Doesn't plagiarized mean in this context that you stole someone's work and called it your own?

I do not see how that can apply here. You quoted sources that are in the public domain. There is no theft here.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10880 2013-05-14 07:51:39

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

The issue is whether or not I have sourced every single bit of information I have found. I am sure pretty much all of it was written with my own words -- in fact, for the bulk of the project, I just wrote out large bits myself, then just looked for sources that backed up my arguments (the reverse of what people normally do).

#10881 2013-05-14 07:53:12

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Listen, you are worrying over nothing. You did the best you could?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10882 2013-05-14 07:58:02

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

I definitely didn't do my best -- sure I put in a lot of effort, but I crammed what was supposed to be work done over 6 months into about 1 week. It's not like it was difficult or anything though, all I had to produce was

-Report/essay (5000 words)
-Production log (3000 words)
-Presentation
-Presentation script (optional - 2000 words)
-Process log (2000 words)

Overall, yes I am proud of my work, but I just felt that I sort of defeated the purpose of the project by cramming it all and rushing certain parts -- it took some of the enjoyment out of the process, and I had to lie about all the dates (you have to say when you completed certain sections of the report/what you discussed in supervisor meetings/etc). Personally I am astounded that it got full marks, either he did not mark it properly or the grading scheme is too generous.

#10883 2013-05-14 08:11:21

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

There you go again, being your own worst enemy. Feeling guilty over something, or trying to find something wrong. That is the way that guy is...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10884 2013-05-14 08:12:03

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

I guess it is a defence mechanism.

#10885 2013-05-14 08:13:30

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Defense? How can second guessing work you already did help. Shouldn't he have been opening his big mouth when you were writing it?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10886 2013-05-14 08:24:50

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

He did try, at many points I wanted to quit and even started writing an e-mail to my supervisor telling me I wanted to quit the project. I was only one click away from sending that until I stopped myself.

#10887 2013-05-14 08:25:18

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Why did you stop yourself?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10888 2013-05-14 08:26:35

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Because I told myself that I would find a way.

#10889 2013-05-14 08:27:06

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

A way for what?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10890 2013-05-14 08:29:02

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

A way to finish it. So instead of sending that and going to bed I popped the kettle on and got to work at 1 AM.

#10891 2013-05-14 08:32:02

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

That is not what I meant, why did you want to finish it?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10892 2013-05-14 08:33:13

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

I didn't want to be known as a quitter and I fancied getting an extra A* grade.

#10893 2013-05-14 08:37:16

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

So your sin was one of pride? It was only for the sake of ego?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10894 2013-05-14 08:42:57

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

I guess. When I was doing my GCSEs two years ago, I was in this same scenario, left everything to the last minute, ended up getting a U in both pieces of coursework bringing my grades down. That happened because I quit. I said to myself that I didn't want that to happen again, because I had already worked hard on the project, why quit and get a U again when it would be a fairer reward to get a high grade?

Thanks to my quitting 2 years ago I've already been questioned to death from unis asking why the heck that happened and if unis see that I got a U in a project which requires independent thinking skills, they're going to think I'm lazy. It will look as if I try to look for the easy way out and don't work hard for anything -- which is not the kind of image I want to project of myself.

#10895 2013-05-14 08:52:08

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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

You lazy???? Hahahahahahhahhhooohooo, cmon, that is like saying Arnold "duh guverna" Schwarzeneggar is a woman in disguise.

I still do not see any reason for feeling guilty or any evidence of wrongdoing.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10896 2013-05-14 08:57:23

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Why is it hard to believe that I could be lazy...?

#10897 2013-05-14 08:59:14

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

For the same reason with Arnie, it just does not fit. I am sure you think you are lazy but you can not convince me of it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10898 2013-05-14 09:24:59

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Well, at least I know that there are people lazier than me, which they are paying the price for -- literally.

Meanwhile interactions with R have been pretty weird.

#10899 2013-05-14 09:38:08

bobbym
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

Heck, they are gazillions lazier than you.

R? What does she want?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10900 2013-05-14 09:40:11

zetafunc.
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Re: Linear Interpolation FP1 Formula

We still talk via e-mail every day (or every few days), but she seems really awkward about seeing me in person. In assembly yesterday I was sitting behind her. She turns round, sees me and immediately turns back round, without saying anything. But on e-mail she's so nice and doesn't mention it.

Another time she did say hello to me in the corridor but she didn't stop to chat -- then later apologised over e-mail saying she was in a hurry (which I doubt)... so why doesn't she want to talk to me in person?

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