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**zetafunc.****Guest**

My three ideas for it at the start of the year were determinism, knot theory, or Newton-Leibniz. I preferred the latter...

I agree, it is a very interesting topic. There are lots of implications it has too that I talked a bit about, too -- for instance, the notion of intellectual copyright (what does it mean to own an idea?), and the bickering among other mathematicians (especially Bernoulli, l'Hopital, Keill and de Duillier) that erupted over the course of the debate. I wanted to talk a bit about England (Newton) and Germany (Leibniz) possibly having an intellectual war, but it is only a 5000-word report (supplemented with a presentation and production log).

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Interesting was that Newton claimed that Leibniz rummaged through his quarters on one of his trips to England.

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Yes, that is true. They did collaborate quite a lot, but there are a number of suspicious details -- for instance, Leibniz copying out Newton's manuscripts under his own notation. The notation plays a central role in the controversy too; Newton's notation was pretty poor (he denoted an integral by just putting a box around a variable!), and Leibniz's notation helped to swing mathematicians in favour of Leibniz. Leibniz and Newton themselves didn't even care about it by 1713-1716; it was others who continued to add fire to it.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It was a long time ago and I think history did the right thing in saying they were co discoverers.

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That is the best logical conclusion we can come to, although there are some people who still strongly side with either of them...

I am wondering why PJ wants to come.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Isn't it obvious?

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I thought it would be, but then why did she say she fancied her friend's ex and was waiting until uni to do anything with a guy?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I meant she obviously has a crush on Newton.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Newton? He was an animal-lover?

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Probably not. I was just saying something ridiculous.

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This was the same person who described maths as yucky.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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She might have changed her mind. She might like it now.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Possibly... she sent me a weird e-mail asking to find units for some rate constant in a chemical reaction, so I explained it to her step by step, and she responds "OMG you are a GENIUS. THANKOOOOOO"... I was shocked, I've never seen her that informal in my life!

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hmmm, there you go just giving away pieces of your brain.

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It took like 30 seconds. Personally I was shocked that at this level she couldn't multiply units.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Don't be shocked be mercenary. I am going to have look up homework guy and direct him to this thread so he can give you some pointers.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I didn't tell her straight away.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Lots of girls expect and understand the barter system. For some of them it is a way to get what they want without having to ask for it. They expect you to ask for some kind of payment. The question was easy was it not? Perhaps too easy.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

But I don't know how to barter. It seems inappropriate.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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But they like greasy and inappropriate,

I have to break off I need to do some shopping see you later.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

Not PJ, she doesn't like that at all.

Okay, see you later.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Well, something is fishy in Mudville.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I've probably been friendzoned again or something.

**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I suggest you treat the friendzone like the DMZ.

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**zetafunc.****Guest**

I guess the easiest way is to make the friendship more physical, but PJ doesn't seem to like any greasiness of that sort.