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burningleo

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What Did Start Every???

What did start everything sure people say its god but you never see him and if the theory of god is right what started that where did god come from

I SO CONFUSED!!!!   

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MathsIsFun

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Science currently says there was a "Big Bang" which started the Universe. Some time later the Earth was formed out of hot matter. Then life developed in the oceans (simple one-celled organisms). These developed further to become fish, dinosaurs, birds, dogs, monkeys,and eventually modern man.

Ta da!

(But different religions say different things)

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Stanley_Marsh

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Re: What Did Start Every???

But Where is the first atom , or quark from ?  The most primitive question cant be answered unless time is like a ring.

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Ricky

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Science currently says there was a "Big Bang" which started the Universe.

The Big Bang does not address what happened when t = 0.  It only addresses things which happened a very short time after.

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mathsyperson

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Re: What Did Start Every???

So basically, we know (or at least, it's our best current theory) that the Big Bang started the universe, but we have no idea what started the Big Bang.

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Ricky

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I'd be careful with that word "started".  We know what happened just after the universe started.

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mikau

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I'd be careful with that word "started".  We know what happened just after the universe started.

Aye. Thats the funny thing with this question.

If the first cause were a natural consequence of something else, it could not be considered the first cause, right?

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JaneFairfax

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Does everything need to have a cause? Aren’t certain quantum events, for example, “spontaneous”?

Ricky

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Does everything need to have a cause? Aren’t certain quantum events, for example, “spontaneous”?

To the best of our knowledge, there are quantum events which we can't find a cause for.  For example, we have absolutely no way to predict when the radio active decay of a single alpha particle will happen.

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Ricky

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I'd be careful with that word "started".  We know what happened just after the universe started.

Aye. Thats the funny thing with this question.

If the first cause were a natural consequence of something else, it could not be considered the first cause, right?

The thing about this is that when there is no universe, there is no space or time, and so causality goes out the window.

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Anthony.R.Brown

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Does God!? Come before the Chicken or the Egg! or Both!

I have always felt it is more than Coincidence! That God is Dog backwards! Just as the Egyptians knew Dogs are our protectors! And had them standing outside Sacred Tombs within Pyramids!

A.R.B

George,Y

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Re: What Did Start Every???

How about Cobras??? Cats??? Beatles???

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mathsyperson

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Racecar is racecar backwards, so that means that a racecar must be a racecar!

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Devantè

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Anyway, I agree with the second post in this thread.

Devantè

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I prefer pi.

mathsyperson

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Yes, short palindromes are better, because long ones have to be manipulated so that they are the same forwards as backwards, which usually makes them sound very odd. Shorter ones have a better chance of just happening naturally. And.

Yawn a more Roman way.

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Devantè

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I find it strange how we all followed on through seven or eight posts just from Anthony R. Brown's 'theory'. I guess we have changed the topic to 'The Wonder of Palindromes'.

burningleo

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Yes but what started the thing that started the big bang and what started tht and so on and so forth an if there is a god where'd he come from??????   

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mikau

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I think we can all agree that everything can't come from something else, because, as you said, you then have to wonder what the source came from.

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burningleo

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Re: What Did Start Every???

it is possible like janefairfax said some things are spontaneous but that could just describe the theoy of scientology what about the whole god thing what describes how he came to existence he's not some kind of science thing he's supposedly the maker of everything so wouldn't he have to make the thing that made him and to do that  he would have to exist but he wouldn't exist to do it so how would it come to be

  p.s. owww my head hurts

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majik1213

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Re: What Did Start Every???

i would have to posit that sources act like cycles.  One thing leads to another, and another and ultimately winds up creating something that leads to itself.  These things can be extraordinarily complex, such as the cycle of the magnetic/electric field:  increasing B decreases E at an increasing rate of decay, the increasing rate works to increase the Rate of increasing B while B decreases due to decreasing E.  The citric acid cycle, etc.  Now, how do the cycles appear?  Well, that in itself is a question I'm not willing to think about quite yet.

Kurre

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I prefer pi.

thats interesting. Since pi has an infinite number of decimals, wouldnt it exist a place (or an infinte number of places) after a number of decimals where pi (or any irrational number) is a palindrome?

and on topic:
what if the time has existed forever? (and with forever i dont mean since the
time started, i mean that the time never started since it has always existed )

mathsyperson

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Re: What Did Start Every???

Well, the decimal point ruins possible palindromity a bit. If we ignore it and everything before it though, it's an interesting question. We'd also have to ignore the trivial case of exactly one digit, because that would always be a palindrome.

pi has (at least) one non-trivial palindrome: 141, but I'm not sure if every irrational number would.

Let's look at some arbitrary number. For its first two digits to be palindromic, the 1st must match the 2nd and there is a 1/10 chance of this happening. For its first three to be palindromic, the 1st must match the 3rd and there is also a 1/10 chance of this happening.

For its first 4 to be palindromic, the 1st must match the 4th and the 2nd must match the 3rd, so there is a 1/100 chance of this. Similarly, there is a 1/100 chance of the first 5 being a palindrome.

It's quite easy to see that the sequence continues 1/1000, 1/1000, 1/10000, 1/10000, 1/100000, 1/100000 and so on. Summing this gives a total probability of 0.22222..., or 2/9.
I might have broken some weird rule about summing infinite series there though.

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Anthony.R.Brown

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Re: What Did Start Every???

To George,Y

Quote: " How about Cobras??? Cats??? Beatles??? "

A.R.B

Now that must have been amazing! it is a shame they could not get the "Rolling Stones" aswell!
then they could of done a Band Duo! and made some neat Music...........................................

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mikau

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Re: What Did Start Every???

I think we discussed the issue of finding whatever you want inside pi before. Someone said, which I believe, that just because no detectable sequence can be found, that does not mean the digits are random, and we're not garanteed to find anything we want. Probably impossible to prove or disprove that though.

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