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## #1 2007-03-07 10:51:38

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### 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Hi! Are you ready for a G A M E ? Go to Post #12 (see #s right) and have fun!!
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This was discovered by 5 year old boy who later was called Mozart of mathematics.

What's his name?

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## #2 2007-03-07 10:59:09

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Terence Tao ?

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## #3 2007-03-07 11:05:12

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Sounds good Kyle, I'm surprised you know of Tao. But honestly, I've heard Euler, Gauss, Erdos, and others referred to as "the Mozart of mathematics", and this "discovery" isn't something so unique that only one child would figure out, I'm sure at least one of these others realized such a thing when they were quite young.

## #4 2007-03-07 19:53:08

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Funny thing is, even though he's Aussie, and the 'Mozart of Mathematics', go up to any average person on the street and 9/10 times they won't have a clue who he is.

## #5 2007-03-08 05:04:12

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

I would bet even as much as 9/10 math majors wouldn't know who he is, unless they are particularly interested in mathematics competitions (that is how I first learned of him). But who knows, I've never asked anyone if they know of him before.

## #6 2007-03-08 05:05:23

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

i don't know him

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## #7 2007-03-10 09:35:46

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

- good discussion!

Simple “discovery” is most often a deceptive one. It usually contains a surprise element. The magic is not in what it contains, but rather in what it doesn’t.

1 + 3 + 5 = 3*3 … what principle does it contain and what it does not?

If  1 + 3 + 5 = 3^2, does  2 + 4 + 6 = 4^2 ?... Obviously not.

Find the play (rule/formula) for multiples a and b, which would work for both:

for

and for
.

When you find the a * b rule, then determine if the same rule plays out for
natural, whole, integers, rational, irrational numbers X1, X2, …
in equation
. Give some examples.

Now come back to  1 + 3 + 5 = 3*3 and see the hidden simplicity in it.
Mozart music also contains the highest level of deceptive simplicity,
which Albert Einstein recognized and adored in his violin journey.

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## #8 2007-03-13 08:16:59

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

... breaking down the puzzle :

if

,

so we have that X1 + X2 + ... + Xn = a * b for a = n and b = (X1 + Xn)/2:

2 + 4 + 6  = _ * [( _ + __ ) / 2] = _ * _  ?

Next, may you bring an example with integers?

“The Lady Tasting Tea. How Statistics Revolutionized Science in the XXth Century” by David Salsburg. The book author described discovery of the five-year-old in a few sentences (p.138, Chapter 14. THE MOZART OF MATHEMATICS). It does deserve our playfull minds... let's have fun and may  even create a game on the numbers right here.

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## #9 2007-03-13 08:18:52

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

i thought mozart was a composer

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## #10 2007-03-13 08:41:05

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Right. So what do you think the 'Mozart of Mathematics' means?

## #11 2007-03-14 02:45:13

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Here is an example with rational numbers:

-10.9 - 9.8 - 8.7 - 7.6 = 4 * [(-10.9 + -7.6) / 2] = 4 * [(-18.5) / 2] = 4 * (-9.25) = -37

May you bring your example with rational numbers?

Now come back to our original puzzle!

Pascal Triangle

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## #12 2007-03-22 03:14:56

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Let's now play a little game: !!

Come back to our original formula:

1 + 3 + 5 = 3*3

How many numbers are on the left side of the above equality? That's right: 3 !

Follow the same reasoning for other numbers as it is done below:

Example: roll a 6-sided dice to receive amount of number participants in the game:

e.g., Roll #1 = 5 and you make equality of 5 members. Always start from 1 and add 2 to get next number:
1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 = 5*5
next: Roll #2 = 2, then 1 + 3 = 2*2
Roll #3 = 6, then 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 6*6
Roll #4 = 4, then 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 4*4
Roll #5 = 1, then 1 = 1*1
Game: roll 5 times and count the sum of all 5 rolls. The highest sum wins.

Let's count our 5 rolls: 25 + 4 + 36 + 16 + 1 = 82.

Roll your dice 5 times and try to reach that 82.

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## #13 2007-04-03 02:59:12

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

gives... 6

for Roll # = 6, write down the equality here:

1 + ... = 6 * 6

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## #14 2007-04-03 03:23:19

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

1+5=6 there you got all figured out and it only took me............................1 hour nah i'm joking it actully took me 0.01 secs to figure that out! lol

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## #15 2007-04-03 03:31:38

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

He said write an equality, and plus it would be wrong if that wasn't even asked, anyway. It isn't basic mathematics, you'll get taught about equalities and inequalities in later years.

## #16 2007-04-03 03:35:47

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

i'm in year 7 not the high school but a couple of days soon and i will be in 1st year whooooo hoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

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## #17 2007-04-27 08:08:05

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

For previous case of Roll # = 6, the equality is:

1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 6 * 6

Next, let us say gives... Roll # = 3:

for Roll # = 3, write down the equality here:

1 + ... = 3 * 3
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Now let us have even more fun!

Let's say that gives...

1
... Roll # = (∫x³dx)-¹
0

First, count Roll# = __

Then, write down the equality here:   _ + _ + ... = _ * _

Have fun

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## #18 2007-05-17 05:46:20

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

For Roll # = 3 the equality is: 1 + 3 + 5 = 3 * 3.

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Use the table to find :
1
Roll # = (∫x³dx)-¹
0

Anybody give it a try?..

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## #19 2007-06-10 09:42:17

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

ok, ok. Let's do it together!

Find:
1
Roll # = (∫x³dx)-¹
0

Use the table to find it:
1
for (∫x³dx)-¹:  (x^4/4)-¹ = 4/x^4  ???  Nope! See Mr. Franklin's corrective post below
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It is:
1
for (∫x³dx)-¹ we plug 0 and 1 into formula as follows:
0
(x^4/4)-¹ ol¹ = [(1^4)/4 - (0^4/4)]-¹ = (1/4 - 0/4)-¹ = (1/4)-¹ = 4

Therefore:
1
(∫x³dx)-¹ = 4 and thus Roll # = 4
0

PS I've got too much pre-occupied with placing correct math symbols as x^4 and ∫
to miss on the flow of the calculation itself.
It is interesting that we have x³ ready to use here, which is x^3, but not the same for x^4.
Thank you, John, for interaction.

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## #20 2007-06-12 04:56:40

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Right, the integral from 0 to 1 is (1^4)/4 - (0^4)/4, which is 1/4 - 0/4, which is 1/4.
Then you flip 1/4 over to 4/1.

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## #21 2007-07-26 02:04:11

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

For previous case of Roll # = 4, the equality is:

1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 4 * 4

Do you remember?
1
(∫x³dx)-¹ = 4 and thus Roll # = 4?
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May you roll a dice to give me your Roll #?

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## #22 2007-10-03 10:51:24

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

So, Post #12 defined the game out of 5 rolls.
The number to reach and overcome is = 82.

Until this moment gave us the following rolls:
6: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 6 * 6 in Post #13
3: 1 + 3 + 5 = 3 * 3 in Post #18
4: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 4 * 4 in Post #19

We need two more rolls!

CAN anybody ROLL the DICE?.... ANYBODY ? . . . .

Let's do the deal: you will roll the dice and I will count the numbers!

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## #23 2007-11-24 12:23:41

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Winnie the Pooh: Hellooooooo.... Is anybody at home??????

Rabbit: No, NOBODY!

...

Winnie (to himself): if somebody says NOBODY, than it means there should be somebody.
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Winnie:
Can Anybody Roll the Dice?

## #24 2007-11-24 13:50:28

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

Winnie is philosophical thinker

## #25 2008-01-29 08:29:02

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### Re: 1+3=2^2, 1+3+5=3^2, 1+3+5+7=4^2 etc.

So, Post #12 defined the game out of 5 rolls.
The number to reach and overcome is Total = 82.

Until this moment  gave us the following rolls:
Roll #1 = 6: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 = 6 * 6 in Post #13
Roll #2 = 3: 1 + 3 + 5 = 3 * 3 in Post #18
Roll #3 = 4: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 4 * 4 in Post #19
Total = 36 + 9 + 16 = 61
We need two more rolls!

Today we will Roll #4 = ...

Thank you, !

Thus, Roll #4 = 5: 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 = 5 * 5
Total: 61 + 25 = 86

Can Anybody roll the dice for the last Roll #5?

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