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#51 2014-09-09 20:46:08

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Re: Markov chains

Ok but I am sleeping now, how Can I post simulations while sleeping?

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#52 2014-09-09 20:48:20

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Re: Markov chains

I was asking anonimnystefy but it may be possible to use even less than 9 states as an answer to you.


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#53 2014-09-09 20:49:57

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Re: Markov chains

Okay, how?


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#54 2014-09-09 20:52:43

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Re: Markov chains

It is just an idea right now. It probably will not even work. I am still working on a reasonable simulation first.

See you in a little bit have to get a bit of rest.


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#55 2014-09-09 21:24:21

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Re: Markov chains

To have only 9 states, you can merge the cases where only B is left, only C is left, B and C are left with B being asked first, B and C are left with C being asked first and use that one as an absorbing state.

I'll post the sim as soon as possible.

EDIT: Here it is:

Count[Table[Block[{l = {1, 2, 3}},
While[Length[l] > 1,
  r = RandomReal[];
  If[(Length[l] > 1) && (r < 1/5), l = DeleteCases[l, 1]];
  r = RandomReal[];
  If[(Length[l] > 1) && (r < 1/2), l = DeleteCases[l, 2]];
  r = RandomReal[];
  If[(Length[l] > 1) && (r < 9/10), l = DeleteCases[l, 3]];];
  l
], {1000000}] // Flatten, 1]/1000000 // N

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2014-09-09 22:38:20)


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#56 2014-09-10 02:06:12

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Re: Markov chains

Hi;

Here is mine:

h = Table[{.8, .5, .1}, {33}];
n = 1000000;
ans = Table[
   s = h;
   w1 = RandomInteger[{1, 33}];
   s[[w1, 1]] = .2;
   w2 = RandomInteger[{1, 33}];
   w3 = RandomInteger[{1, 33}];
   s[[w3, 3]] = .9;
   w1 < Max[w3, w2], {n}];
Count[ans, True]/n // N

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#57 2014-09-10 04:45:30

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Re: Markov chains

Isn't this thread about markov chains?


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#58 2014-09-10 04:56:23

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Re: Markov chains

Yes it is but we are at your request working on a specific problem which I have not solved yet. The simulation now provides an approximate answer and a bound on that answer. This will weed out many dead ends. The digital age has made this a difficult concept to grasp.


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#59 2014-09-10 06:30:25

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Re: Markov chains

I have solved it, and I'm pretty sure of the answer. The simulation and the analytic method agree.


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#60 2014-09-10 06:44:55

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Re: Markov chains

Okay, I am still working on it.


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#61 2014-09-10 07:39:44

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Re: Markov chains

Hm, your simulation is incorrect. You are not calculating the probability correctly.


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#62 2014-09-10 07:47:24

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Re: Markov chains

I made it to get an approximate answer? It gets about .65 which is quite close.

You can post your solution if you like because I have to go shopping and need to work on mine a bit longer. Please label your rows and columns.


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#63 2014-09-10 08:00:02

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Re: Markov chains

I can post it, but the fact that it's close is just a coincidence here. It would get that number whatever the probabilities were.


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#64 2014-09-10 08:11:26

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Re: Markov chains

Hi;

It does appear you are correct! I am having trouble writing this one in the functional style.

Post yours please.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#65 2014-09-10 08:22:04

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Re: Markov chains

I already did.


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#66 2014-09-10 08:46:52

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Re: Markov chains

I meant the analytical solution.


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#67 2014-09-10 08:53:48

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Re: Markov chains

Ah, sorry.

Well, it's very stupid.


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#68 2014-09-10 08:55:24

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Re: Markov chains

Looks pretty good from here but it is not a Markov chain.


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#69 2014-09-10 08:58:25

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Re: Markov chains

It is not, but that is my solution.


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#70 2014-09-10 09:00:31

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Re: Markov chains

I was afraid you were going to say that. I am not sure this one can be solved by a Markov chain.


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#71 2014-09-10 09:02:01

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Re: Markov chains

It can, I have the matrix. It's quite big, though.


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#72 2014-09-10 09:04:25

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Re: Markov chains

Ah, can you post that? I am having trouble with that portion of the problem too.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#73 2014-09-10 09:10:06

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Re: Markov chains


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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#74 2014-09-10 09:11:44

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Re: Markov chains

Wunderbar! What are the labels?


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#75 2014-09-10 09:14:21

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Re: Markov chains

Sorry, forgot.

In order: *A*BC, A*B*C, AB*C*, *A*B, A*B*, *A*C, A*C*, A, B+C.


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