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'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

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How did you do it? Did you have to solve a fourth degree equation?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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There are a couple of ways to get the answer but first you have a chore to do...

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I have a chore?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yep, before you can determine the answer which is easy, you must prove convergence.

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All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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There are 2 ways to get the above answer.

1) Solve the equation:

or do some EM.

```
dummy[] := Block[{}, k = k + 1; (-1)^k]
k = -1; r =
Sqrt[Nest[4 + dummy[] Sqrt[#] &, 1, 15]] /. Sqrt[3] -> Sqrt[4];
N[r, 25];
RootApproximant[N[r, 25]] // TraditionalForm
```

Both ideas require a proof of convergence which though not difficult is harder than the problem itself.

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I understand the first solution but I do not know how to solve it by hand.

I do not know what the second solution means

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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How the heck would anyone be expected to solve that by hand?

The second one is M code to do the nested radical.

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Please explain the code.

Is the first equation not a proof of convergence itself?

Is there no way to do it by hand?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not think you can handle an equation like that by hand.

The code does this:

run it changing the 15 to a 5.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Cardano could solve this by hand.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Is it a fourth degree equation?

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Your code gives an approximate fraction, bobbym.

Who is Cardino?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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bobbym wrote:

Is it a fourth degree equation?

Yes, it is.

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Please show it?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You got that from this?

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I've that equation too. How do I solve it by hand?

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I posted an answer to that a while back.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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bobbym wrote:

You got that from this?

Yep.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Please show how.

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bobbym wrote:

You got that from this?

Yes

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Okay, please show how.

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